Atheists: a 5 year old is on her deathbed....

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The Ugly Truth

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You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
 
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.
 
Jack said:
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.
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Wrong answer. The child wouldn't ask such a question if she didn't want to go to Heaven. So you tell her what she wants to hear. Personal beliefs aside, your first concern should be to comfort her.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Wrong answer. The child wouldn't ask such a question if she didn't want to go to Heaven. So you tell her what she wants to hear. Personal beliefs aside, your first concern should be to comfort her.
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"One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies."

hahahaha ... this was the question YOU posed. I gave MY response to YOUR question.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
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You tell her yes, she will be escorted by angels and Jesus will welcome her with open arms. She doesn't need a philosophical argument on her deathbed.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
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You will become star dust. You are energy and your life force will continue because energy is neither created nor destroyed.
 
Jack said:
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.
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You use science, it already has the answer for her.
 
Phantasmal said:
You use science, it already has the answer for her.
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Like someone else said, a 5 y/o on her death bed might not want to know about 'science'.

Like ... let's say you ask your husband: "Do these pants make my ass look fat?"
You, I'm just guessing here, my not want to hear the 'science' ? :(
 
The Non-atheist knows to say:

You, me, and everyone that ever existed or ever will in future are all each individual individuals.
Each soul is indivisable and pervades the entire body, it is indestructible,
No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul,
for the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time,
the soul has not come into being, does not come into being,
and will not come into being. the soul is unborn, eternal,
ever-existing and primeval, the soul is not die when the body dies,
the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable
the soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon,
nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water,
nor withered by the wind, the individual soul is unbreakable
and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried,
the soul is everlasting, unchangeable, immovable and
eternally the unchanged.

The temporal false-ego = the ego garnered via the particular birth. Such a temporal false-ego exists for the span of the life time. The body withers but the conscious life-force [the soul --atma, in sanskrit] continues to another birth ---thus lossing all of its Identity to the dust of time; and then to re-start another life-time . . . as per the Karma-phalam (fruits of actions/works) from the last lifetime. Scripture says that all facilities are accorded to all species without prejudice ---you get a future birth mechanically as per the stratum of cultivated sensibilities that "were remembered at the time of death".

Personal relationships, work skills, wealth, social status are all lost ---and the future birth is determined by the culmination of past works/the final thoughts at the time of death/life-long cultivated desires.

At death, unless one is informed of absolute truths (or that which approximate such absolute truths) one is destined fro repeated "relative" existence of striving to enjoy sans (without) ultimate purpose.

All past associations are lost upon a material body's death ---freeing it up to pursue any available future birth without overt effort ---as per the qualification of the souls level of cultivated sophistication.
 
**simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning to this material world.**

"One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode"

One who can understand the truth of the appearance of the Personality of Godhead is already liberated from material bondage, and therefore he returns to the kingdom of God immediately after quitting this present material body. Such liberation of the living entity from material bondage is not at all easy. The impersonalists and the yogīs attain liberation only after much trouble and many, many births. Even then, the liberation they achieve – merging into the impersonal brahma-jyotir of the Lord – is only partial, and there is the risk of returning to this material world. But the devotee, simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning to this material world.

Although there are many transcendental forms of the Lord, they are still one and the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. One has to understand this fact with conviction, although it is incomprehensible to mundane scholars and empiric philosophers.

As stated in the Vedas (Puruṣa-bodhinī Upaniṣad):
“The one Supreme Personality of Godhead is eternally engaged in many, many transcendental forms in relationships with His unalloyed devotees.”

Simply by accepting this truth on faith, one can, without a doubt, attain liberation.
Anyone who understands “You are the same Supreme Brahman, the Personality of Godhead,” is certainly liberated instantly,
and consequently his entrance into the transcendental association of the Lord is guaranteed.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
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Well, I am not an atheist, but if it were a 5 year old girl on her death bed or a 60 year old man...I suspect most atheists and agnostics would say what would most likely comfort a person near death asking that question.

"Yes, of course god is going to take you to into heaven."

I imagine YOU would say, "Yes, you will go into Heaven...unless you have offended GOD...in which case you will be sent to Hell to suffer unimaginable torture for all of eternity."
 
The Ugly Truth said:
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
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You ask her if she thinks she'll go to Heaven; because she obviously believes in Heaven and is just looking for acknowledgement.
 
bhaktajan said:
The Non-atheist knows to say:

You, me, and everyone that ever existed or ever will in future are all each individual individuals.
Each soul is indivisable and pervades the entire body, it is indestructible,
No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul,
for the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time,
the soul has not come into being, does not come into being,
and will not come into being. the soul is unborn, eternal,
ever-existing and primeval, the soul is not die when the body dies,
the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable
the soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon,
nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water,
nor withered by the wind, the individual soul is unbreakable
and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried,
the soul is everlasting, unchangeable, immovable and
eternally the unchanged.

The temporal false-ego = the ego garnered via the particular birth. Such a temporal false-ego exists for the span of the life time. The body withers but the conscious life-force [the soul --atma, in sanskrit] continues to another birth ---thus lossing all of its Identity to the dust of time; and then to re-start another life-time . . . as per the Karma-phalam (fruits of actions/works) from the last lifetime. Scripture says that all facilities are accorded to all species without prejudice ---you get a future birth mechanically as per the stratum of cultivated sensibilities that "were remembered at the time of death".

Personal relationships, work skills, wealth, social status are all lost ---and the future birth is determined by the culmination of past works/the final thoughts at the time of death/life-long cultivated desires.

At death, unless one is informed of absolute truths (or that which approximate such absolute truths) one is destined fro repeated "relative" existence of striving to enjoy sans (without) ultimate purpose.

All past associations are lost upon a material body's death ---freeing it up to pursue any available future birth without overt effort ---as per the qualification of the souls level of cultivated sophistication.
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So basically the atheist is going to talk her to death. :palm:
 
Jack said:
Like someone else said, a 5 y/o on her death bed might not want to know about 'science'.

Like ... let's say you ask your husband: "Do these pants make my ass look fat?"
You, I'm just guessing here, my not want to hear the 'science' ? :(
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I don’t ask my husband questions like that. I can look in a mirror and determine myself if the pants make me look fat.
 
Jack said:
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.
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You are either a pussy atheist or a pussy theist. There is no such thing as “an agnostic” because being agnostic is an adjective, not a noun, and pussies like you have bastardized this concept. One can be an agnostic theist or be a “gnostic atheist”

its like saying you you are a blue. A blue what? A blue car? A smurf?
 
The Ugly Truth said:
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
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Rejoice! Your male dominator God gave you dominion over the earth, all the earth's creatures, plants, animals and all you survey, including humans who are not of your faith.

This IS your heaven.
 
Irthriuth said:
Perhaps I would lie. I don’t know. But the point is I would be lying.
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I think when it comes to children who are dying; that most people would say what ever they think will bring the child comfort, regardless of their own personal beliefs or ideas.
 
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