Basics of Politics; Big Gov vs. Big Gov Corruption

SmarterthanYou said:
FORCING equality is NOT the governments job. That is called socialism and it's a failure on it's face before it ever gets implemented. Governments job is to ensure everyone the equal opportunity to succeed. nothing more, nothing less.
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Actually the Governments job is to do what the people tell it to do and the majority of the people want to force equality. Welcome to America.
 
Classic Liberal said:
Norway ( i/ˈnɔrweɪ/; Norwegian: Norge (Bokmål) or Noreg (Nynorsk)), officially the Kingdom of Norway, is a Scandinavian unitary constitutional monarchy whose territory comprises the western portion of the Scandinavian Peninsula, Jan Mayen, the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard and the subantarctic Bouvet Island.[note 1] Norway has a total area of 385,252 square kilometres (148,747 sq mi) and a population of about 5 million.[9] It is the second least densely populated country in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

According to 2012 figures from Statistics Denmark, 89.6% of Denmark’s population of over 5,580,516 was of Danish descent.[1][2] Many of the remaining 10.4% were immigrants—or descendants of recent immigrants—near half of whom are from the neighbouring Scandinavian countries and Germany. Others include people from Turkey, Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, South Asia, and from the Middle East. More than 590 000 individuals (10.4%)[2][3] are migrants and their descendants (142 000 second generation migrants born in Denmark[3]).
Of these 590 000[2] immigrants and their descendants:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Denmark

It seems that Norway and Denmark in the grand scheme of things compared to America are like two bb’s in a world of bowling balls. With 5 million populations each they exhibit a mere fraction of population relative to 300 million Americans. The entire populations of those countries could be “the government” without providing the same opportunities for corruption in government that we have here in America.

America’s federal government alone is more than half the size of the populations of Norway and Denmark.

To boot, the governments of those small Scandinavian nations is so, so much more “local” to their populations than the American federal government is to America’s population. A good rule of thumb is that the more local the government the less likely the corruption because government’s officials are better known and more easily accessible to local populations.
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I live in a small Conservative town where we try not to tax or be overbearing with City Officials. Yet what happened is our town is full of vandals and people who don't respect the small police force. People are now putting up their own speed limit signs in their yard stating that if someone speeds by and kills their child, they will take law into their own hands.......multiple signs like this. Everyone in my town knows they can get away with anything.

Note that this same small city Government force is ran by the local businesses that don't want taxation for Police or ANYTHING to make this city successful.
 
Topspin said:
That's cute, and as likely as Napoleon dynamite beating labron in 1 on 1
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It's not unheard of. The Right is scrambling to jump on the bandwagon that left them many years ago. Talking at Black heavy colleges and such. It seems like just last year that Newt said, "Immigrants should learn the language of prosperity". A fair point that seemed to be verbally worded to come out of his anus along with the "Moon Base For The Elite" ......idiot.

We shouldn't force them to speak English or "the language of prosperity" and they shouldn't force us to speak Spanish. How simple is that? If you hit a wall then oh well, get over it.
 
Kane said:
Oh? Is that a fact? I'm sure you could prove it then.
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Libertarians don't even know what Libertarian is yet. It's a new party. It's a selfish party that only fixates on ones self and never accounts for other people. Via; "I know I am responsible enough to own an Apache Chopper but I'm not stupid enough to think every American should have that power without proving they are mature and worthy enough to hold that power.

Libertarians fixate on themselves stating, "I am innocent until proven guilty". And if a mass shooting or a mass bombing occurs (Timothy McVeigh ~Libertarian) then the rest of the Libertarians shrug it off as "It wasn't me".

It's a narrow minded party that doesn't understand Politics is beyond ones self, and includes EVERYONE. YES you have to account for crazy people when making decisions...........Or maybe you haven't seen any crazy people in America lately........

It's why lots of Libertarians aren't on the same page. EVERYONE should try to be Libertarian to focus on our Freedoms. But only a select few think that "Freedom no matter what" is a Libertarian and a party......

Or in other words..........United We Stand.............Not Solo I Stand.....
 
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Anti-Party said:
Actually the Governments job is to do what the people tell it to do and the majority of the people want to force equality. Welcome to America.
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when we wrote the constitution that constructed the federal government, it listed out what the governments job was. I don't see 'what we tell it to do' listed there anywhere. help us out?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
our current system is not the failure, it's the people running the system.
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dude the system has to keep trying to recover from the republicans raping it for the benifit of the wealthy.

the republicans have crashed the economy twice in one lifetime.


stop fighting for them to be abel to do it again.


the Ideas the republican party touts are historically failed ideas.


why would anyione vote for ideas thatw just keep failing the American people?


because they are bought people.

OR they buy the Fox news lies
 
Rationalist said:
Relative to their population, both Norway and Denmark have enormous governments. Your response is that big governments that support a small number of people are OK. Are there any other exceptions to your "Small government=small corruption. BIG government=BIG corruption" rule that we should know about?
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But I don’t support the idea of BIG government no matter what the population and you’ve yet to prove that Norway’s and Denmark’s governments aren’t “BIG corruption.” Would you like to try again?
 
Anti-Party said:
Libertarians don't even know what Libertarian is yet. It's a new party. It's a selfish party that only fixates on ones self and never accounts for other people. Via; "I know I am responsible enough to own an Apache Chopper but I'm not stupid enough to think every American should have that power without proving they are mature and worthy enough to hold that power.
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It’s highly arguable Goober that a third grader as yourself is responsible enough to own an Apache Chopper.

Libertarians fixate on themselves stating, "I am innocent until proven guilty". And if a mass shooting or a mass bombing occurs (Timothy McVeigh ~Libertarian) then the rest of the Libertarians shrug it off as "It wasn't me".
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Did your third grade leftist teacher tell you Timothy McVeigh was a “Libertarian” or did you dream that up all by your little self Goober?

It's a narrow minded party that doesn't understand Politics is beyond ones self, and includes EVERYONE. YES you have to account for crazy people when making decisions...........Or maybe you haven't seen any crazy people in America lately........
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Well Goober, there’s at least one fucking nut writing your post for you. That’s not even debatable.

It's why lots of Libertarians aren't on the same page. EVERYONE should try to be Libertarian to focus on our Freedoms. But only a select few think that "Freedom no matter what" is a Libertarian and a party......

Or in other words..........United We Stand.............Not Solo I Stand.....
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We’ll let you focus on BIG government authoritarianism and mob rule Goober, we’ll focus on the founding principles of “Individual Liberty.”
 
Anti-Party said:
Actually the Governments job is to do what the people tell it to do and the majority of the people want to force equality. Welcome to America.
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So that’s why every politician and judge before taking office swears to ”preserve, protect and defend the CONSTITUTRION” right Goober?

Oh! I forgot y’all fucking lefties changed the word “Constitution” to “Majority Mob Rule,” huh Goober?
 
evince said:
dude the system has to keep trying to recover from the republicans raping it for the benifit of the wealthy.

the republicans have crashed the economy twice in one lifetime.

stop fighting for them to be abel to do it again.
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you need to take off the blindfold. YOUR party is just as culpable in this system and has been for nearly 100 years.


evince said:
the Ideas the republican party touts are historically failed ideas.


why would anyione vote for ideas thatw just keep failing the American people?


because they are bought people.

OR they buy the Fox news lies
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pot, kettle, black. you're an establishment flunkie or plain ignorant. take your pick.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
when we wrote the constitution that constructed the federal government, it listed out what the governments job was. I don't see 'what we tell it to do' listed there anywhere. help us out?
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And the very same people said that the Constitution could change as needed to meet the peoples needs. They never said, "Here it is, never change it or adapt it", they said the opposite. The people control this Country..........THE PEOPLE
 
Anti-Party said:
Actually, you are....you will learn.

Your "freedom fighting" lures in Corporate interests that rely on "freedom" beyond common sense.
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The problem is that the 'libertarian' idea of liberty includes brutal class suppression. They're great when it comes to dealing with authority in government, but when it comes to everything else, they cause tons of harm.

So I'd just call them 'selective libertarians'.
 
Classic Liberal said:
It’s highly arguable Goober that a third grader as yourself is responsible enough to own an Apache Chopper.



Did your third grade leftist teacher tell you Timothy McVeigh was a “Libertarian” or did you dream that up all by your little self Goober?



Well Goober, there’s at least one fucking nut writing your post for you. That’s not even debatable.



We’ll let you focus on BIG government authoritarianism and mob rule Goober, we’ll focus on the founding principles of “Individual Liberty.”
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I find it ironic that this person calls me a 3rd Grader while also calling me a "goober" along with a list of "nuh-uhs"

Maybe it's time you did a little homework there kiddo and learned what your party really fights for. Ask your cult director "do we really fight for the right to own Apache's with no background checks?" And here is this, I did a little homework for you "McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer and Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for their handling of the Waco Siege, "

Militia movement sympathizer who is angry at the Federal Government? Sounds pretty Libertarian to me.
 
Classic Liberal said:
So that’s why every politician and judge before taking office swears to ”preserve, protect and defend the CONSTITUTRION” right Goober?

Oh! I forgot y’all fucking lefties changed the word “Constitution” to “Majority Mob Rule,” huh Goober?
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Actually it's spelled "Constitution" but I digress...

I never said we aren't supposed to use the Constitution as our base, we are, clearly. And I never stated Government should be working outside the boundaries of it. The Amendment process isn't easy but it's the correct path to take. The problem with Amending the Constitution is there are people called "Conservatives" and by definition hate change.

The PEOPLE need to wake up, get political, and use the correct process to change the Constitution where it's needed to be changed.

Note; It's a good thing that it's difficult to change because we don't want it ending up overcomplicated like law. But it shouldn't be so impossible to change.
 
Anti-Party said:
And the very same people said that the Constitution could change as needed to meet the peoples needs. They never said, "Here it is, never change it or adapt it", they said the opposite. The people control this Country..........THE PEOPLE
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Yes and no. When our constitution is changed, it's not done by the people. It'd done by elected representatives of the country's power centers.
 
Rose Captain said:
The problem is that the 'libertarian' idea of liberty includes brutal class suppression. They're great when it comes to dealing with authority in government, but when it comes to everything else, they cause tons of harm.

So I'd just call them 'selective libertarians'.
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Yup. I call it survival of the fittest on a Human level. I don't agree with that.
 
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