Biden is what happens when a lifetime of chronic lying meets cognitive decline

[christiefan915]

Biden says right in the video he's making the call himself and Obama will back him up almost say it was a dare on his part.

Are you saying Obama was unaware of all this? I'm pretty sure he knew exactly what he wanted Biden to do about the corrupt prosecutor.

"Charlie Kupchan, who was a special assistant to President Barack Obama and a senior director for European Affairs on the National Security Council, said anti-corruption efforts were "a big part of our diplomacy" with Ukraine, since "it was that corruption that allowed Russia to manipulate the country politically and economically."

As a result, Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid as "a stick to move Ukraine forward," Kupchan said. "He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job."

Daria Kaleniuk, the co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kyiv, Ukraine, credited Biden, the International Monetary Fund — which threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons — and others with the prosecutor's removal."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

 

[christiefan915]

The state department had just said Viktor Shokin was doing a good job and recommended making the loan guarantees

Then somebody was lying here.

"It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office, which he took over in February 2015.

Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to the then-vice president, told USA TODAY that Shokin "never went after any corrupt individuals at all" and "never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...raine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Then somebody was lying here.

[FONT=&]"It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.
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[FONT=&]As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office, which he took over in February 2015.[/FONT]
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Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to the then-vice president, told USA TODAY that Shokin "never went after any corrupt individuals at all" and "never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."

[/FONT]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...raine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

I see the proof in the pudding so-to-speak. Shokin was replaced by Yuri Lutsenko, a thoroughly unqualified--he wasn't even a lawyer!--corrupt, asshole with a long history of violent drunkenness.

Even the most cursory search for Lutsenko's bio shows this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Lutsenko

 

[christiefan915]

Christie give us a link that says Obama's policy was to fire Viktor Shokin

Obama administration signed off on $1B for Ukraine Biden threatened to hold back: report

Can you supply a better source than the NY Post?

"After initially supporting Shokin, U.S. and E.U. officials soured on him. To pressure Poroshenko into removing him, the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees. (Ukrainians began calling Shokin “the billion-dollar man.”) A senior official in the White House told me that Vice-President Joe Biden spoke to Poroshenko by phone every few weeks and made it clear that, as far as additional loan guarantees were concerned, “you can meet every single other condition, but until you replace this guy you are not getting this money.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/05/reforming-ukraine-after-maidan

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Can you supply a better source than the NY Post?

"After initially supporting Shokin, U.S. and E.U. officials soured on him. To pressure Poroshenko into removing him, the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees. (Ukrainians began calling Shokin “the billion-dollar man.”) A senior official in the White House told me that Vice-President Joe Biden spoke to Poroshenko by phone every few weeks and made it clear that, as far as additional loan guarantees were concerned, “you can meet every single other condition, but until you replace this guy you are not getting this money.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/05/reforming-ukraine-after-maidan

Doesn't change that the guy that replaced him was unqualified, more corrupt, and incompetent and didn't go after corruption either.