Tinkerpeach
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Because pissing off half the nation against his administration would interfere with Biden's plan to subvert the constitution.
He need's people complacent, not enraged against him.
Biden pardons Trump
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Because pissing off half the nation against his administration would interfere with Biden's plan to subvert the constitution.
He need's people complacent, not enraged against him.
What law?
The rule of law ended when you destroyed the Constitutional Republic.
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Electoral challenges have long been part of American history.
Only now are they being criminalized.
I was one of the lawyers involved in objections to Florida's presidential vote in 2000.
A margin of less than 600 ballots determined that Governor George W. Bush rather than Vice President Al Gore won the state and, thus, the electoral college vote.
I was convinced then and I am convinced now that this result was wrong.
No one was indicted, disbarred, disciplined or even much criticized for those efforts, yet here we stand today.
President Donald Trump and 18 other defendants has been charged with election fraud, conspiracy, racketeering and more, under a law designed to take down criminal organizations, known as the RICO Act.
Should Al Gore have been charged in 2000?
What about me?
I represented the voters of Palm Beach County, many of whom voted by mistake for Pat Buchanan rather than Gore because of the infamous butterfly ballots and hanging chads that prevented their votes from being accurately counted.
During the course of our challenges, many tactics similar to those employed in 2020 were attempted.
Lawyers wrote legal memoranda outlining possible courses of conduct, including proposing a slate of alternate electors, who would deliver our preferred election results to Congress.
Now, Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani, along with others, are accused of conspiracy to commit forgery and false statements for drafting their list of alternate electors.
In 2000, Florida state officials were lobbied to secure recounts in selected counties in which we thought the tally would favor us. We were trying to find at least 600 votes that would change the result.
This new indictment features Trump's phone call with Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, which was captured in an audio recording. In the conversation, Trump asks Raffensperger to 'find' 12,000 votes.
In my mind, this call is among the most exculpatory pieces of evidence. Trump was entitled as a candidate to ask a Georgia state official to locate votes that he believes were not counted.
In 2000, attempts were made to influence various Florida officials to recount the votes.
Now, the former president's request that Georgia's Republican Speaker of the House reconsider the count is being charged as soliciting a public official to violate his oath.
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But if similar behavior was legal in 2000, how could it be illegal in 2023?
In the end, all those efforts in Florida failed when the Supreme Court in a five-to-four vote ordered the recounts stopped thereby turning the election over to President George W. Bush.
I wrote a book entitled Supreme Injustice, condemning the Supreme Court's decision and insisting that the election had been stolen from Gore and improperly handed to the candidate who received fewer votes.
The book was a bestseller, featured in front page reviews in the New York Times and other major publications. Most Americans thought that those challenging the Florida vote had acted in good faith, even though the courts ruled against them.
What's different today is that many observers do not believe that Trump and his advisors were sincere when they declared that he had won the election. But that doesn't make what they did a crime.
The Georgia indictment hinges on the allegation that Trump was lying in order to corruptly prevent the inauguration of the candidate who won the election fair and square.
Conspiracy and RICO violations are specific 'intent' crimes. In order to secure a conviction, prosecutors must prove a personalized agreement to join a criminal activity.
That will be an incredibly difficult case to make, especially regarding Trump himself who — to my knowledge – has never wavered from his belief that the election was stolen.
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He is wrong, but again, that is not enough to prove him guilty.
The First Amendment and general criminal law principles protect the right to be wrong, especially if that right is based on an honest mistake or belief.
Many point to the claim that Trump associates allegedly stole voting machine data, but that accusation is hotly contested. The jury will have to assess the credibility of each side.
The fundamental truth of this indictment is that if the evidence of specific crimes were compelling, there would be no need to charge under the onerous 'intent' requirements of RICO and conspiracy laws. The proof is not compelling, because these electoral challenges have precedent.
Once again, as with the preceding three Trump indictments, the law is being stretched to its limits in order to snare a former president.
'Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime,' is the infamous Soviet-era boast attributed to Joseph Stalin's chief of the secret police.
Is this really what our country has become?
When prosecutions are rooted in the fickle ground of politics and not the solid rock of justice everything will crumble.
-- Alan Dershowitz
You've gotten rid of the Constitution and the Rule of Law - so what is a pardon?
The only law is the capricious ruling of your Reich in advancing the absolute power of the dictatorship.
I disagree. The Reich is determined to burn it all down.
The democrats want violence, they want blood.
democrats want to eradicate anything and everything that is America.
Yet all you post are lies...
Tinkerpeach
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Yes and the best way to do that is to make the people unaware that you are doing it.
Fighting off a rebellion makes that task much harder.
Presidential pardoning is to correct legal mistakes. We have people serving long. long terms for having a bunch of weed.
Trump is the first president to use it to cover up his crimes. He had to pardon half the close advisers he had,to protect himself.
I realize that you know utterly nothing.
I mean, utterly nothing about the law. But a president can pardon a person for all alleged crimes through the date of pardon. There is no need for a verdict, not even an indictment.
But since Quid Pro is BEHIND the attempts to imprison to opposition candidate - he's not going to.
The third world banana republic of Joe Biden doesn't work that way.
ThatOwlWoman
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Geeko Sportivo
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Biden probably will partially pardon Trump at some point!
He will make sure that Trump doesn't spend the rest of his life in prison- whatever that entails.
No one wants to see Trump or Giuliani spend the rest of their lives in prison!
But yes, full Pardoning has to go or the very next Nefarious asshole that becomes president will use Pardoning again to commit crimes.
Trump fucks up everything he touches! He definitely fucked up the pardoning process for all future presidents- when he started using it to commit crimes himself and solicit others to carry out crimes for him while waving Get-out-of-jail free cards in their face, and when he pardoned that convicted Killer was basically the straw that broke the camel's back!
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^Stupidest motherfucker on the forum.
signalmankenneth
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Would this happen now or after Biden wins re-election? Either way, if he did something like this Biden would have to resign from presidency?!! There would be such an outcry for him to do so?!!
Dutch Uncle
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I have no doubt you truly believe you saw that, Tink.
FWIW, it's a bad idea to let rich, powerful people off with a pardon simply because they are rich, powerful people.
Tinkerpeach
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It is assuming he wins re-election since Trumps trials won't be wrapped up before the election.
Tinkerpeach
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I have no doubt you truly believe you saw that, Tink.
FWIW, it's a bad idea to let rich, powerful people off with a pardon simply because they are rich, powerful people.
It's not about being rich, there is an unspoken brotherhood among presidents that pardon's are guaranteed because you never know when you will need one yourself.
If Biden wins re-election there really isn't any reason not to do so.
If Trump wins and Biden get's nailed on bribery charges I expect him to do the same for him.
Dutch Uncle
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How many Presidents have pardoned other Presidents in the United States, Tink?
Tinkerpeach
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Every single time a president has needed one.
Dutch Uncle
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That wasn't the question, Tink, but I've grown used to you running from questions about your wild claims.