Breaking the Gridlock

Jarod said:
I dont want an impeachment, unless evidence is turned up to warrant one... and then we would have the votes.!

I do want INVESTIGATIONS into what happened over the last 6 years.

I want congress to start doing its job on oversight.

BRING ON THE INVESTIGATIONS! Bring em on! ----LETS ROLL----
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This is the point, even IF you win control of Congress, your party lacks the number of votes it would need to even bring an investigation, unless you had something undeniably obvious to bring about half of the Republicans on board. Oh, no doubt, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi will certainly TRY to do this, they just won't succeed, they lack the number of votes needed.

At some point in time, pinheads will have to start to realize, winning this election is not going to bring about the sweeping changes they are wetting their panties over. It isn't going to happen in the real world. A few chairmanship seats will change, the rhetoric will be louder and more shrill, but from a standpoint of action, nothing is going to really change.
 
Dixie said:
This is the point, even IF you win control of Congress, your party lacks the number of votes it would need to even bring an investigation, unless you had something undeniably obvious to bring about half of the Republicans on board. Oh, no doubt, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi will certainly TRY to do this, they just won't succeed, they lack the number of votes needed.

At some point in time, pinheads will have to start to realize, winning this election is not going to bring about the sweeping changes they are wetting their panties over. It isn't going to happen in the real world. A few chairmanship seats will change, the rhetoric will be louder and more shrill, but from a standpoint of action, nothing is going to really change.
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LOL - all of a "sudden' dixie is promoting bipartisanship!


DIXIE: It's really simple, at some point in time, you will have to find a way to accept the half of the country who disagrees with you, and work toward solving the divisive gridlock. It's really about compromise and acceptance, and at some point, some day, Democrats will have to discover this reality.

DIXIE: "At what point in time, does the Democrat party actually attempt to "reach out" across the isle and work with those who totally disagree with their viewpoint?"

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Examples of Dixie's "bipartisanship" and "reaching out" across the aisle, mere months ago: (fullpolitics.com):


-DIXIE: You're Getting Bolton Dammit! Like it or not, John Bolton is going to be the new UN Ambassador! His nomination will move to the floor for a vote…. opposed to him are seeming more and more like little spoiled kids who didn't get their way. I hope and pray the Dumbocrats decide to filibuster this! GO FOR IT ASSHOLES! GO FOR IT! ------I DARE YA!


-DIXIE: There is a mechanism by which unqualified judges can be turned away... it's called "voting them down". Is "Democracy" too difficult for your Socialist ass to understand? Why is it, that after being defeated in the most recent elections, you think that 40% of Congress can run the show and call the shots? How much of a fucking majority do WE need now Care? 80% 90%... does it matter?


-DIXIE: You don't need to end the filibuster, just hold their feet to the fire, make those 40 bastards have to experience a good old fashioned filibuster, and wear their asses out. If it shuts down government for a week, we'll live. It's important that they learn this lesson now, and stop using this rule to intimidate their will on us. This is not why we elected Republicans! Stand up to these sons of bitches or we'll find candidates with the balls to do it in 2006.

-DIXIE: Personally, I don't care if they change the rules, they have that right according to the Constitution! What I do care about, is the subverting of the rules to obstruct judicial nominees. That practice is going to stop and it's going to stop NOW!

-DIXIE: You can whine and cry about it all you like, but that is how it's going to be, and you may as well get used to it!! Whether they use the "CONSTITUTIONAL OPTION" or hold the Democrats feet to the fire and shut down government for a few weeks, this shit is going to STOP! Have I made myself clear on that?

DIXIE: I am only goin to tell you this one more time Care, and then I'm done with you on this.... THE FILIBUSTER WILL NO LONGER BE USED TO OBSTRUCT THE CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY OF THE PRESIDENT TO NOMINATE JUDGES!"……this shit is going to stop now, and there is not a hell of a lot you can do about it! Some of these judges have been held up for nearly 4 years, waiting to be confirmed so they can start hearing cases which are backing up more and more each day, while Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi try to make some Grande Political Issue out of the filibuster rule. If you want to go on thinking that the Republicans are in the wrong, that is fine... it's not like they are counting on YOUR support for a damn thing anyway!


DIXIE: “the rules are the rules, and the majority is the majority!. I actively worked to get Republicans elected, supported a republican platform and agenda, and excercised my rights as a citizen, to change the political power structure in Congress. After all my hard work, and the hard work of others like me, we get to hear Democrats whine and pitch little baby fits, and demand that they be GIVEN something they haven't earned!
 
Yeah Prissy, we know you have to try and make this thread about Dixie, it seems to be your obsession these days, but that isn't the topic of discussion here. As I said, at some point in time, you will have to stop making every thread about Dixie, and move on with life. Dixie isn't going away, and is not planning on shutting up any time soon, so you may as well get used to Dixie, and learn to live with him.

Capiche?
 
Dixie said:
Yeah Prissy, we know you have to try and make this thread about Dixie, it seems to be your obsession these days, but that isn't the topic of discussion here. As I said, at some point in time, you will have to stop making every thread about Dixie, and move on with life. Dixie isn't going away, and is not planning on shutting up any time soon, so you may as well get used to Dixie, and learn to live with him.

Capiche?
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No explanation for your new-found love affair with bipartisanship and common ground, when your history of posting suggests you prefer ramming your policies down the throats of the minority party?

Perhaps your "sudden" change in philosophy is related to the possibility that the GOP might find itself in the House minority?
 
Cypress said:
No explanation for your new-found love affair with bipartisanship and common ground, when your history of posting suggests you prefer ramming your policies down the throats of the minority party?

Perhaps your "sudden" change in philosophy is related to the possibility that the GOP might find itself in the House minority?
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I've always been for bipartisanship, it's why I am a registered independent. My history of posting suggests something different to you than reality, as well it should, we are on a political message board. There has been no change in philosophy, but you are entitled to believe that if you like. The point is, regardless of these elections, there will be no controlling mandate from either side, thus there will be no real change, and there will be gridlock.

I am merely trying to help pinheads cope with reality here. It seems that some of you actually think, if Dems win on Tuesday, everything is going to suddenly change, with regard to policy, direction, the war, etc., and the truth is, it's not going to change at all. Some Democrats might have newfound power as chairmen, and Congress might have to be bogged down chasing dead end investigations, but real change? Nope... not so much.

Try to get this through your head, go read what Krauthammer wrote, re-read what I posted in my opening, and try to adapt to reality here, because right now, you are living in some more fantasy land. Whether Republicans barely hold on by the skin of their teeth, or Democrats regain power by the skin of their teeth, we are destined for 2 more years of gridlock.

My question, and point of this thread, is to discuss what to do about that. How do we break this gridlock? We know, by history, the gridlock will ultimately be broken, it always has before, and it will again. Try to let it sink in to your pinheaded minds, that the politics in Washington do not revolve around your way of thinking alone, and winning a slight majority in one of the houses of Congress is not a mandate, particularly when there has been no foundational plan, just a call for generic change.

Change doesn't occur in Gridlock, it's a really easy concept to grasp. I know you can do it, I have faith in you!
 
If it make you feel any better Dix, I will push my Democratic representatives (fi they take over the House) to be exactly as bipartisan as the republican were when they had the majority. That includes behaving exactly like the GOP majority did on offering the minority party the ability to offer amendments, inviting them to closed meetings to get their input on proposed legislation, and strictly adhering to house rules about not holding votes open past their official deadlines.

sound fair?
 
I predict you'll get as far as the Republicans did with that.

At some point, both sides will have to realize the neccessity of compromise, in order to get anything done. If you want to play a game of tit-for-tat the next 2 years, then Republicans will cream you in '08, for the exact same reasons you are creaming them now, it's a never-ending cycle, don't you see?

You can push your representatives for whatever you wish, it's America, but to believe that a slim majority of one house is going to affect a change, is a dream. Keep in mind, we do not live in a vacuum, and if Democrats win control of something, you can bet the Republican response will not be to 'roll over' and let the Dems have their way. I anticipate a major push by true conservatives of the party, and much more viable platform for '08, should the Republicans lose here. Every action has a reaction, and Dems winning a slight majority now, is going to cause Republicans to change strategy for '08, which will probably not help the liberal cause.
 
Dixie said:
I've always been for bipartisanship, it's why I am a registered independent. My history of posting suggests something different to you than reality, as well it should, we are on a political message board. There has been no change in philosophy, but you are entitled to believe that if you like. The point is, regardless of these elections, there will be no controlling mandate from either side, thus there will be no real change, and there will be gridlock.

I am merely trying to help pinheads cope with reality here. It seems that some of you actually think, if Dems win on Tuesday, everything is going to suddenly change, with regard to policy, direction, the war, etc., and the truth is, it's not going to change at all. Some Democrats might have newfound power as chairmen, and Congress might have to be bogged down chasing dead end investigations, but real change? Nope... not so much.

Try to get this through your head, go read what Krauthammer wrote, re-read what I posted in my opening, and try to adapt to reality here, because right now, you are living in some more fantasy land. Whether Republicans barely hold on by the skin of their teeth, or Democrats regain power by the skin of their teeth, we are destined for 2 more years of gridlock.

My question, and point of this thread, is to discuss what to do about that. How do we break this gridlock? We know, by history, the gridlock will ultimately be broken, it always has before, and it will again. Try to let it sink in to your pinheaded minds, that the politics in Washington do not revolve around your way of thinking alone, and winning a slight majority in one of the houses of Congress is not a mandate, particularly when there has been no foundational plan, just a call for generic change.

Change doesn't occur in Gridlock, it's a really easy concept to grasp. I know you can do it, I have faith in you!
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Dixie, today: "I've always been for bipartisanship, it's why I am a registered independent."...."It's really simple, at some point in time, you will have to find a way to accept the half of the country who disagrees with you--It's really about compromise and acceptance, and at some point, some day, Democrats will have to discover this reality."


DIXIE, July 2005: "Desh, I tell you what you obsessive little bitch... what goes around comes around! IF and WHEN your pathetic Socialist Party EVER gets back in power, you can look for me to be probing your asshole every fucking day and night for the slightest step out of line! I'll post every goddamn thing I suspect, and you worthless shitheads better not blow your damn noses wrong! God help your asses if Hillary gets elected, because every fucking day, you will have a new fire to put out and another new scandal on the horizon. Hell, I am a conservative, it suits me just fine if we freeze Washington for the next 20 years and don't pass any legislation for all the investigating of scandals... that's how you wanna play the game, it's going to be rough." (ffullpolitics.com)
 
Make up your mind Dixie:


-DIXIE: “I've always been for bipartisanship, it's why I am a registered independent.”


-DIXIE: “I actively worked to get Republicans elected, supported a republican platform and agenda, and excercised my rights as a citizen, to change the political power structure in Congress.”

-DIXIE: Dear Republican Party, I have steadfastly supported the platform of the party for the past decade, endured much criticism for being an extremist, Kool-Aid drinking fool and idiot, and gave you a pass on forsaking conservative principles in governmental intrusion into our lives and the budget because of the war on terror.

-DIXIE: “…I flew my flag, and bought my yellow ribbon magnet, I stayed on these boards day and night, defending the actions we took as a nation, deflecting the criticisms of Bush as a Commander in Chief, and having WMD's and Osama thrown in my face on a daily basis for endless months. Even after this, I didn't lose faith in the party or wane in my support,


-DIXIE: what goes around comes around! IF and WHEN your pathetic Socialist Party EVER gets back in power, you can look for me to be probing your asshole every fucking day and night for the slightest step out of line! Hell, I am a conservative, it suits me just fine if we freeze Washington for the next 20 years and don't pass any legislation for all the investigating of scandals... that's how you wanna play the game, it's going to be rough."
 
Make up your mind Dixie:

I'm sorry, I don't see where it says I am a registered Republican. My statement was, I am a registered Independent. Do you have something to contradict that, or not? If you don't, then we can presume my statement to be correct, because you should have that in the Dixie Database, if I've said otherwise.
 
Dixie said:
Make up your mind Dixie:

I'm sorry, I don't see where it says I am a registered Republican. My statement was, I am a registered Independent. Do you have something to contradict that, or not? If you don't, then we can presume my statement to be correct, because you should have that in the Dixie Database, if I've said otherwise.
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LOL

Who cares what a piece of paper says you're "registered" as. Bill O'Reilly claims he's a "registered" independent too. And his nose is so far up bush's ass, he can't even breath.

You said yourself, you've actively supported the republican party, platform, and agenda for over a decade, and you're on message boards "day and night" defending them.
 
I have supported Republicans, and I have supported some Democrats. I've supported Zell Miller his entire political career. Sam Nunn is another Democrat I have supported, and wished he had run for president. I've not ever really supported Lieberman, a northeast lib, until this election, but in the local and state races, I often vote for the Democrat over the Republican. I am conservative, I make no bones about that, but this does not tie me to any particular party, when it comes to principles and ideals.

This thread is not a debate about my political persuasion, and I can appreciate the fact that you seem to want to make it about that, but at some point in time, don't we have to come to grips with the fact that we disagree fundamentally on some things, and find a way to work together again?

You all seem to think, if you win, republicans are just going to go away and never be heard from again, and all of the initiative in Washington will be the collective will of the liberal party, and I'm telling you, this isn't reality. Everyone isn't going to wake up Wednesday morning, and just accept the "Get Bush!" agenda, and follow along. If you live in this fantasy world, and believe this will be the case, you need to wake up and join reality.
 
Dixie said:
This is the point, even IF you win control of Congress, your party lacks the number of votes it would need to even bring an investigation, unless you had something undeniably obvious to bring about half of the Republicans on board. Oh, no doubt, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi will certainly TRY to do this, they just won't succeed, they lack the number of votes needed.

At some point in time, pinheads will have to start to realize, winning this election is not going to bring about the sweeping changes they are wetting their panties over. It isn't going to happen in the real world. A few chairmanship seats will change, the rhetoric will be louder and more shrill, but from a standpoint of action, nothing is going to really change.
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I have no idea where you get that. Of course we will have the votes to start investigating.Speaker Pelosi and her democratic committee chairs (and majority membership on those committees) can begin investigating immediately. We won't need Senate concurrence in any of it.... the democrats in the house will be able to begin in January. WHy in the world would you think we would need any republicans, let alone HALF to begin doing the job of congressional oversight?
 
Dixie said:
I have supported Republicans, and I have supported some Democrats. I've supported Zell Miller his entire political career. Sam Nunn is another Democrat I have supported, and wished he had run for president. I've not ever really supported Lieberman, a northeast lib, until this election, but in the local and state races, I often vote for the Democrat over the Republican. I am conservative, I make no bones about that, but this does not tie me to any particular party, when it comes to principles and ideals.

This thread is not a debate about my political persuasion, and I can appreciate the fact that you seem to want to make it about that, but at some point in time, don't we have to come to grips with the fact that we disagree fundamentally on some things, and find a way to work together again?

You all seem to think, if you win, republicans are just going to go away and never be heard from again, and all of the initiative in Washington will be the collective will of the liberal party, and I'm telling you, this isn't reality. Everyone isn't going to wake up Wednesday morning, and just accept the "Get Bush!" agenda, and follow along. If you live in this fantasy world, and believe this will be the case, you need to wake up and join reality.
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Trying to mislead again?

Who cares if you supported Sam Nunn. Nunn hasn't been in public office for over a decade. You said: Over the PAST DECADE you have spent "day and night" supporting the republican PARTY, plaform and agenda

You're being dishonest trying to pose as a bipartisan "independent".

Who gives a shit what or who you supported over a decade ago? Its not relevant to who you support NOW.

I voted for Ronald Reagan TWICE. I'm not dishonest enough, to claim that entitles me to some kind of "independent" mantle TODAY.
 
Dixie said:
I have supported Republicans, and I have supported some Democrats. I've supported Zell Miller his entire political career. Sam Nunn is another Democrat I have supported, and wished he had run for president. I've not ever really supported Lieberman, a northeast lib, until this election, but in the local and state races, I often vote for the Democrat over the Republican. I am conservative, I make no bones about that, but this does not tie me to any particular party, when it comes to principles and ideals.

This thread is not a debate about my political persuasion, and I can appreciate the fact that you seem to want to make it about that, but at some point in time, don't we have to come to grips with the fact that we disagree fundamentally on some things, and find a way to work together again?

You all seem to think, if you win, republicans are just going to go away and never be heard from again, and all of the initiative in Washington will be the collective will of the liberal party, and I'm telling you, this isn't reality. Everyone isn't going to wake up Wednesday morning, and just accept the "Get Bush!" agenda, and follow along. If you live in this fantasy world, and believe this will be the case, you need to wake up and join reality.
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Dixie, if I thought that if the dems won this election it meant that republicans would "go away and never be heard from again" instead of getting about 4 hours of sleep a night the past two weeks, I would have gotten none because I would have worked that much harder.

Nobody thinks those squeaky, yapping, whiners are ever going to go away and not be heard from again.
 
Well, I can certainly understand the 'libertine' types, who are happy as pigs in mud about gridlock. I somewhat share that sentiment, however, this is not how our government is set up to operate, and it hasn't historically done so for very long. At some point, there will be a shift to one side or the other, or a compromise issue that pulls the two sides together again. Being that, nothing ever happens without a reason, I thought it would be healthy to discuss what has to happen, for gridlock to break.

Conservatives and Liberals are not just going to drop off the planet after the elections, so regardless of how it turns out, we will still have a partisan division in ideology, and this means gridlock. As many libertarians have lamented, this is a good thing for smaller government and spending, but persistent gridlock over a long period, results in problems not being addressed, which really should be addressed and resolved. This is why, ultimately, the gridlock will be broken and we will once again have bipartisanship on the hill. My question again, as it seems to be getting largely ignored, is... how do we get there from here?
 
Krauthammer raises an interesting point, regardless of the outcome, this election will not give a governing mandate to either side.

It makes Bush a 'sitting duck' President...
 
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