Bring Your Guns To Work Law.... Brilliant idea!

Socrtease said:
They can also go home and get a gun, or go to Walmart and get a gun, or steal a gun and bring it. They COULD do anything. We don't make rules solely on what people COULD do.
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Err... we do all the time.

And at least having to drive home would give them a bit of cooldown time, which is very important in such crimes of passion.
 
Socrtease said:
They can also go home and get a gun, or go to Walmart and get a gun, or steal a gun and bring it. They COULD do anything. We don't make rules solely on what people COULD do.
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You really think it is unreasonable for an employer to ban guns on company property?

The way I see it, if my employer is able to prevent me from doing all sorts of things in order to keep my job, including curtailing my free speech activities, it sure as shit ought to be able to prevent people from brining guns on its property.
 
I can understand allowing guns at work for sensitive jobs, such as being a lawyer, where you often have people very angry at you. But what am I doing with a gun working at Popeye's? What possible help could that be? There aren't many people who would kill me over my chicken seasoning.
 
Dungheap said:
You really think it is unreasonable for an employer to ban guns on company property?

The way I see it, if my employer is able to prevent me from doing all sorts of things in order to keep my job, including curtailing my free speech activities, it sure as shit ought to be able to prevent people from brining guns on its property.
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IF he lets you park on his property he has no say as to what kind of car you park, what CD's are in your car, or if you have a gun in your car. How would he know if the first place? This whole thing is just you gun fraidy cats wanting to keep people from keeping their private property IN THEIR private property. Imagine if an employer said no democratic bumper stickers on your cars in my lot. You gun fraidy cats would HOWL at that.
 
Superfreak said:
I think the owner should be able to ban people from parking their cars on company property, but the owner should not be able to dictate the contents of the car (as long as the contents are legal). The car is the property of the individual... not the owner and as such the owner does not have the right to dictate to the individual what legal content is allowed in the car.
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So if I bring a chest, which I own, full of sarin gas into your home (assuming I've been invited - sheesh this is an analogy!), and you figure out about the sarin, I'm having my rights quashed whenever you request for me to leave the premises?
 
Socrtease said:
IF he lets you park on his property he has no say as to what kind of car you park, what CD's are in your car, or if you have a gun in your car. How would he know if the first place? This whole thing is just you gun fraidy cats wanting to keep people from keeping their private property IN THEIR private property. Imagine if an employer said no democratic bumper stickers on your cars in my lot. You gun fraidy cats would HOWL at that.
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I don't think an employer who escorted people off the premises for having Democratic bumper stickers on their car would be in business for very long. But employers can through people off the premises for things like that without explaining why. If you have a gun, however, they can no longer escort someone off the premises for that reason.
 
Watermark said:
So if I bring a chest, which I own, full of sarin gas into your home (assuming I've been invited - sheesh this is an analogy!), and you figure out about the sarin, I'm having my rights quashed whenever you request for me to leave the premises?
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You are in my house not parked in my driveway so your analogy sucks. I never inquire as to what is in someones car when they park in my driveway. It is not my business. Now if you have someone tied up in the trunk and I hear them thrashing about, then I am going to call the police and if you try to stop me you might get hurt.
I am not saying that the business owner should be required the gun IN HIS business building, but what is in the cars of his employees is none of his or her bidness.
 
Watermark said:
I don't think an employer who escorted people off the premises for having Democratic bumper stickers on their car would be in business for very long. But employers can through people off the premises for things like that without explaining why. If you have a gun, however, they can no longer escort someone off the premises for that reason.
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But they are far more likely to see the bumpersticker on a bumper than a gun in a glove box or under a seat. And they have not business searching the cars unless they think an employee has stolen from them and has it in their car.
 
Socrtease said:
But they are far more likely to see the bumpersticker on a bumper than a gun in a glove box or under a seat. And they have not business searching the cars unless they think an employee has stolen from them and has it in their car.
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Of course they can't search the car. This law is not the "ban employers from searching cars" law.
 
Socrtease said:
IF he lets you park on his property he has no say as to what kind of car you park, what CD's are in your car, or if you have a gun in your car. How would he know if the first place? This whole thing is just you gun fraidy cats wanting to keep people from keeping their private property IN THEIR private property. Imagine if an employer said no democratic bumper stickers on your cars in my lot. You gun fraidy cats would HOWL at that.
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You mean like this the woman that got fired for having a Kerry bumper sticker?

http://www.slate.com/id/2106714/

The point is that employers are able to curtail your rights as conditions of employment. Curtailing your right to have a gun on company property, private property, seems to fall squarely in the realm of rights employers ought to be able to curtail. I wouldn't argue that employers ought to be compelled to ban guns, but they sure as shit shouldn't have to permit them.
 
Dungheap said:
You mean like this the woman that got fired for having a Kerry bumper sticker?

http://www.slate.com/id/2106714/

The point is that employers are able to curtail your rights as conditions of employment. Curtailing your right to have a gun on company property, private property, seems to fall squarely in the realm of rights employers ought to be able to curtail. I wouldn't argue that employers ought to be compelled to ban guns, but they sure as shit shouldn't have to permit them.
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They have not business knowing what is in your car at all, Damn anything to keep people from their guns huh? i wonder how many business owners want to know what is in an employees car? Probably about the same number of employers that fire employees for having Kerry bumperstickers. Maybe less.
 
Socrtease said:
They have not business knowing what is in your car at all, Damn anything to keep people from their guns huh? i wonder how many business owners want to know what is in an employees car? Probably about the same number of employers that fire employees for having Kerry bumperstickers. Maybe less.
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I'm not saying they should inventory cars to enforce it, but as a general rule employers should be permitted to ban employees from bringing guns onto their property.
 
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