Canadian vs. American healthcare Analysis

Damocles said:
But I do. This is like saying that insurance on my car makes me play copays that I don't have to pay. It is totally unrealistic and a misunderstanding of how it works.

Let's say you buy an extended warranty for your vehicle. In the agreement you have a copay. They are betting you won't have to fix your vehicle often, and usually they win. However sometimes they lose and you wind up getting more service than they make off of you. It doesn't make you suddenly be paying huge copays. That was spread across everybody who bought the same programs.
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Damo, whenever you go to a doctor, and they need to do some sort of fancy test, they charge you for that. You don't pay 10 bucks for the whole package. The same thing for ear-irrigation.
 
Watermark said:
Damo, whenever you go to a doctor, and they need to do some sort of fancy test, they charge you for that. You don't pay 10 bucks for the whole package. The same thing for ear-irrigation.
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I do pay $10. My insurance premiums do not increase because I use it to get my ear cleaned out. Nor does my doctor count looking in my ear as a "fancy test".
 
Watermark said:
Clearly you've never had surgery done. Could I get a non-moron in here?
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LOL. Getting water sprayed in your ear is not surgery. And yes, I have had surgery before. For my hospital visit I would pay $50. Also, my premiums do not increase for that usage either. Just saying "clearly" this or that doesn't change that the more use you get from your insurance the better "deal" you are getting. They are betting that most people will not use the money that has been paid in, and most of the time they are right.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. Getting water sprayed in your ear is not surgery. And yes, I have had surgery before. For my hospital visit I would pay $50. Also, my premiums do not increase for that usage either. Just saying "clearly" this or that doesn't change that the more use you get from your insurance the better "deal" you are getting. They are betting that most people will not use the money that has been paid in, and most of the time they are right.
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The US system is the greatest system ever devised.
 
You mean sad like a stupid American admin of a political bulletin board that still thinks the American healthcare system is better than a universal system?

You mean that sad?

CK
 
Whats sad is fake libertarians like Damocles who want free market theory to work for everything and dont understand the fact that the schools they went to growing up was universal, the cops and firemen that patrol their streets are single-payer, the fact that that government itself is based on a mandate and is not pay-for-service...

You mean like that fake libertarian stupid?

Free market voodoo economics is the biggest crock of shit in the world....The free market system that these libertarians want only works in places with no laws...If you want to live in Baghdad thats cool...Im sure the rest of us want services...

CK
 
CanadianKid said:
You mean sad like a stupid American admin of a political bulletin board that still thinks the American healthcare system is better than a universal system?

You mean that sad?

CK
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Or sad like a Canadian who is the founder of the Canadian School of Reading Incomprehension?

What part of, "Single-payer is something we should look into, and I think we should carefully study and fix some of the problems we can see with other systems and fix them before we implement it." means "Boy, yours sucks ours is good!"

You are either deliberately disingenuous, or one of the more "special" people I have ever met.

But that's all good. One thing I do now have is far more respect for the American school system, they are doing far better at teaching reading comprehension than the Canadian schools.
 
Damocles said:
Or sad like a Canadian who is the founder of the Canadian School of Reading Incomprehension?

What part of, "Single-payer is something we should look into, and I think we should carefully study and fix some of the problems we can see with other systems and fix them before we implement it." means "Boy, yours sucks ours is good!"

You are either deliberately disingenuous, or one of the more "special" people I have ever met.

But that's all good. One thing I do now have is far more respect for the American school system, they are doing far better at teaching reading comprehension than the Canadian schools.
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I thought he went to school on your side? But you're, Canadian schools only produce retards. Like totally.
 
It's 100 time more business friendly
less likely to have fraud
I say we go to it
Canada has an adult approach.
 
Topspin said:
It's 100 time more business friendly
less likely to have fraud
I say we go to it
Canada has an adult approach.
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The Canadian System has made private health care illegal. It is 100% less business friendly. The French system is far more likely to be acceptable to Americans.
 
my Canadian relatives said they have supplemental insurance because there national insurance sucks to bad. Wonder where the disconnect is.

i will add however many old people i know travel to canada from these parts a few times a year to get there prescriptions. We definitely need to end the pharmaceutical monopoly in this country.
 
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Damocles said:
The Canadian System has made private health care illegal. It is 100% less business friendly. The French system is far more likely to be acceptable to Americans.
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No it's not.

You're thinking of the province of Quebec, which had a provincial law banning private insurance. That ban was overturned by the courts in 2005.

As I understand it, in other parts of Canada, people can buy supplementary or private insurance, to supplement their public insurance.
 
f*ck the american and canadian healthcare systems.

we should emulate france. Viva la France!


The French healthcare system has been in place and has continued to evolve for more than one hundred years, and was classified the “best health system in the world” by the World Health Organization (WHO) in June 2000. It permits all French citizens access to treatment and to the latest discoveries in medical research.

The success of the French health system is evidenced in the general health of the French population. Their life expectancy increases more than three months each year, and French women have the second highest life expectancy rate in the world.

The Healthcare System and its Users:

The French government provides a number of diverse and comprehensive healthcare rights. For more than 96 percent of the population, medical care is either entirely free or is reimbursed 100 percent. The French also have the right to choose among healthcare providers, regardless of their income level. For example, they can consult a variety of doctors and specialists or choose a public, private, university or general hospital. Moreover, the waiting lists for surgeries found in other government supported healthcare systems do not exist in France.

In France, health insurance is a branch of the Social Security system. It is funded by workers’ salaries (60 percent of the fund), by indirect taxes on alcohol and tobacco and by direct contribution paid by all revenue proportional to income, including retirement pensions and capital revenues. On the surface, it appears that health insurance reimburses medical care providers less in France than in other European countries. However, more than 80 percent of French people have supplemental insurance, often provided by their employers. The poorest have free universal healthcare, which is financed by taxes. Additionally, the treatment costs for those who suffer from long-term illnesses are completely reimbursed.

http://www.ambafrance-us.org/atoz/health.asp
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I don't believe the gov't should "run" healthcare, but I also believe that this is not an area where full privatization works.

Corporations have one real goal, and that is profit. There is nothing wrong with that goal. However, when it comes to insurance claims, it is much more profitable for them to find creative ways of denying coverage, so they naturally go to great lengths to do so.

That is unacceptable.
 
Cypress said:
No it's not.

You're thinking of the province of Quebec, which had a provincial law banning private insurance. That ban was overturned by the courts in 2005.

As I understand it, in other parts of Canada, people can buy supplementary or private insurance, to supplement their public insurance.
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Actually their Supreme Court was working on this ruling in 2005 and the rest of Canada feared it would interfere with their system.

Here is a nice article on the illegality of private health care in Canada.

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full...STINDEX=0&volume=164&issue=6&journalcode=cmaj

And another:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/28/international/americas/28canada.html

This one speaks of how it is illegal but they are doing it anyway. Rogue enterprise accepting direct payment for surgery they could get for free in the public hospitals, which is against the law.
 
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