Court Upholds the Meat of Arizona Immigration Law...

Damocles said:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/2...e-on-major-health-care-and-immigration-cases/

However, 3 sections were preempted because they were already Federal Law.

This means that it is okay, if the officer has reason, to check the immigration status of somebody who has broken the law, even speeding. However, when and if they find an illegal immigrant ICE will probably tell them to just let them go regardless.
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Actually, it doesn't mean it is OK. It means that it might be OK.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Actually, it doesn't mean it is OK. It means that it might be OK.
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It means that they ruled that the lower courts restriction has been revoked. However it doesn't preempt lawsuits against the Arizona Law enforcement once it becomes in effect if they abuse their rights while doing it...

Basically they'll need to be very careful to ensure that there is a reason to question the immigration status of those they question...
 
Damocles said:
It means that they ruled that the lower courts restriction has been revoked. However it doesn't preempt lawsuits against the Arizona Law enforcement once it becomes in effect if they abuse their rights while doing it...

Basically they'll need to be very careful to ensure that there is a reason to question the immigration status of those they question...
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Which means they won't do because they could be sued.
 
Rana said:
Which means they won't do because they could be sued.
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I seriously doubt it means that. Arizona is absolutely inundated, they feel that there is a strong need to do something. A large part of Arizona, Federal land that should be open, is basically off-limits to citizens because the drug lords hold sway and they cannot protect their citizens from the gangs. One theory is that the Feds will sell this land to private citizens so that Arizona has a capacity to do something...
 
Damocles said:
I seriously doubt it means that. Arizona is absolutely inundated, they feel that there is a strong need to do something. A large part of Arizona, Federal land that should be open, is basically off-limits to citizens because the drug lords hold sway and they cannot protect their citizens from the gangs. One theory is that the Feds will sell this land to private citizens so that Arizona has a capacity to do something...
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Well, we will see which way it goes. The State will also not want the costs of lawsuits.
 
Damocles said:
It means that they ruled that the lower courts restriction has been revoked. However it doesn't preempt lawsuits against the Arizona Law enforcement once it becomes in effect if they abuse their rights while doing it...

Basically they'll need to be very careful to ensure that there is a reason to question the immigration status of those they question...
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The reason that one part of the law was left intact is because the law hasn't been implemented yet. Once it does, and the lawsuits start flowing in, it will be repealed. Profiling is unconstitutional.

Rana said:
Which means they won't do because they could be sued.
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Rana said:
Well, we will see which way it goes. The State will also not want the costs of lawsuits.
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Sorry, Rana. Arizona has shown a proclivity for ignoring basic human rights until it's too late. They will be sued, they will lose the suit.
 
Howey said:
The reason that one part of the law was left intact is because the law hasn't been implemented yet. Once it does, and the lawsuits start flowing in, it will be repealed. Profiling is




Sorry, Rana. Arizona has shown a proclivity for ignoring basic human rights until it's too late. They will be sued, they will lose the suit.
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You don't have to apologize I agree with you.
 
Rana said:
Yeah, which has been greatly exaggerated. Make drugs legal, that will help more than this harrassment.
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"Greatly Exaggerated"? How many need to die in order for you to believe that it is a concern?

I agree with you on making drugs legal. The stupid "War on Drugs" has drained our treasury far, far more than any Foreign Entanglement we're currently involved in or have been in the past. More have died, more have lost their freedoms, all for an entirely worthless "war" that actually causes the problems the laws were made to provide a solution to. We never learn from important lessons of the past and repeat them here.

The violence in our cities, the literal war cops wage killing thousands, millions in prison, and there hasn't been an end to the use or abuse of these drugs. Prohibition doesn't work to provide even a single solution to the problems caused by drugs and actually creates the environment for violent gangs to thrive.
 
Damocles said:
"Greatly Exaggerated"? How many need to die in order for you to believe that it is a concern?

I agree with you on making drugs legal. The stupid "War on Drugs" has drained our treasury far, far more than any Foreign Entanglement we're currently involved in or have been in the past. More have died, more have lost their freedoms, all for an entirely worthless "war" that actually causes the problems the laws were made to provide a solution to. We never learn from important lessons of the past and repeat them here.

The violence in our cities, the literal war cops wage killing thousands, millions in prison, and there hasn't been an end to the use or abuse of these drugs. Prohibition doesn't work to provide even a single solution to the problems caused by drugs and actually creates the environment for violent gangs to thrive.
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Please show me the number of people who have died, not from drug overdose, but from violence directly related to the drug cartel in Arizona.

Thank you.
 
Damocles said:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/2...e-on-major-health-care-and-immigration-cases/

However, 3 sections were preempted because they were already Federal Law.

This means that it is okay, if the officer has reason, to check the immigration status of somebody who has broken the law, even speeding. However, when and if they find an illegal immigrant ICE will probably tell them to just let them go regardless.
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Which will then probably open the Federal Government to another lawsuit.
One that will involve millions of dollars, that the State(s) will be able to say is a direct result of the Federal Government not enforcing their own laws.
 
Howey said:
The reason that one part of the law was left intact is because the law hasn't been implemented yet. Once it does, and the lawsuits start flowing in, it will be repealed. Profiling is unconstitutional.





Sorry, Rana. Arizona has shown a proclivity for ignoring basic human rights until it's too late. They will be sued, they will lose the suit.
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How is it profiling and what are the "basic human rights" that you feel this will violate?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Which will then probably open the Federal Government to another lawsuit.
One that will involve millions of dollars, that the State(s) will be able to say is a direct result of the Federal Government not enforcing their own laws.
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I'm wondering if some Constitutional scholar will find a way to apply Article IV Section 4 of the US Constitution in such a lawsuit.
 
Rana said:
Please show me the number of people who have died, not from drug overdose, but from violence directly related to the drug cartel in Arizona.

Thank you.
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Are you saying that nobody in Arizona has been killed or kidnapped by Drug Cartels or are you asking me to do your research for you? You assert that it is "greatly exaggerated" and dismiss the deaths and kidnapping of US citizens as unimportant because they are "exaggerated"...

Dead isn't exaggerated. It happened.

Here are a few...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/bodies-fou...cartels-police/story?id=16485975#.T-jBxZH-X0Q

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1#.T-jCv5H-X0Q

Or we can talk about the fact that the Drug Cartels have basically declared war on the Arizona State Police:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-police-arizona/story?id=10995661#.T-jB7ZH-X0Q

We'll just start with those two and let you go on... Tell me how many of their citizens or cops should be killed before you think it should be important to the Arizona State Government?
 
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