Court Upholds the Meat of Arizona Immigration Law...

USFREEDOM911 said:
How is it profiling and what are the "basic human rights" that you feel this will violate?
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Do you really think they'll pull over anyone but brown people?

The state of Arizona has already been found to be in violation of their "basic human rights". Der...

Arizona's new immigration law violates an international anti-racism treaty that is binding on all government officials in the United States, Human Rights Watch said today.

Key provisions of the "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act," enacted by Arizona on April 23, 2010, conflict with the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, which the United States ratified in 1994, Human Rights Watch said.
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Damocles said:
Are you saying that nobody in Arizona has been killed or kidnapped by Drug Cartels or are you asking me to do your research for you? You assert that it is "greatly exaggerated" and dismiss the deaths and kidnapping of US citizens as unimportant because they are "exaggerated"...

Dead isn't exaggerated. It happened.

Here are a few...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/bodies-fou...cartels-police/story?id=16485975#.T-jBxZH-X0Q

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1#.T-jCv5H-X0Q

Or we can talk about the fact that the Drug Cartels have basically declared war on the Arizona State Police:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-police-arizona/story?id=10995661#.T-jB7ZH-X0Q

We'll just start with those two and let you go on... Tell me how many of their citizens or cops should be killed before you think it should be important to the Arizona State Government?
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I did the research, you need to catch up, also.
http://fronteralist.org/2012/06/06/...de-not-drug-cartel-violence-arizona-republic/

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...abeu-criticized-rush-tie-case-lax-border.html

http://isitsafetotraveltomexico.com/

It is another scare tactic by politicians to advance their agenda.
 
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Howey said:
Do you really think they'll pull over anyone but brown people?

The state of Arizona has already been found to be in violation[/COLOR] of their "basic human rights". Der...
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So it is your "informed" opinion that only brown people are pulled over and asked for ID, registration, and proof of insurance.

The rest of your attempted intelligent reply, is nothng more then an opinion piece, unless you want to show what penalties were enacted.
 
Rana said:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/06/babeautiful_irony_babeu_blaste.php
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USFREEDOM911 said:
What this had to do with a discussion of SB 1070, I have no idea; but I'm sure you "feel" that there's a connection. :palm:
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Oh! I remember him!!! He was the recepient of my Asshole of the Week Award!

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But this asshole is special! I can't believe nobody posted about this!




Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu — who became the face of Arizona border security nationally after he started stridently opposing illegal immigration — threatened his Mexican ex-lover with deportation when the man refused to promise never to disclose their years-long relationship, the former boyfriend and his lawyer tell New Times.

The latest of the alleged threats were made through Babeu's personal attorney, who's also running the sheriff's campaign for Congress in District 4, the ex-lover says.

He says lawyer Chris DeRose demanded he sign an agreement that he would never breathe a word about the affair. But Jose Orozco refused.

The 34-year-old from central Mexico charges that the sheriff's lawyer warned against mentioning the affair with Babeu. DeRose said gossip about Babeu would focus attention on Orozco, attention that could result in his deportation, Orozco says.
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Hola, Papi! You quero!!!




Read his comments here:

Go Sheriff Paul! Daddy!
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Which has what to do, with a thread about SB 1070?
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Can you read?

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu — who became the face of Arizona border security nationally after he started stridently opposing illegal immigration — threatened his Mexican ex-lover with deportation when the man refused to promise never to disclose their years-long relationship, the former boyfriend and his lawyer tell New Times
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Rana said:
I did the research, you need to catch up, also.
http://fronteralist.org/2012/06/06/...de-not-drug-cartel-violence-arizona-republic/

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...abeu-criticized-rush-tie-case-lax-border.html

http://isitsafetotraveltomexico.com/

It is another scare tactic by politicians to advance their agenda.
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Remember Jan Brewer saying "law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded."

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That came as surprising news to Dr. Eric Peters, deputy chief medical examiner for Pima County, which has the largest border with Mexico of any county in Arizona.

"We probably have handled the most deaths from border crossings," Peters told PolitiFact. "We have had approximately 1,700 deaths in the last 10 years. We haven't had a single death due to a beheading or having a beheading associated with it."

The vast majority of deaths -- more than 95 percent, he said -- were due to exposure to the elements, either extreme heat in the summer or extreme cold in the winter.

The remainder of deaths, less than 5 percent, were "generally related to the process of human smuggling," Peters said. For example, he said, passengers who are killed when a smuggler tries to put too many people in a van and the van rolls or is involved in an accident.

"It's exceedingly rare for the deaths to have anything to do with any type of violence at all, and certainly no beheadings," Peters said.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...an-brewer-talks-beheadings-th-arizona-desert/
 
Rana said:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/06/babeautiful_irony_babeu_blaste.php
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Ah. I see, so nothing about the kidnapping? And I just drew up one, apparently it was the wrong one to pick, but that happens when you grab the first thing on google sometimes.

Are you really saying that nobody in Arizona was killed by drug cartels because this one wasn't?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...-likely-killed-by-drug-cartel-scout02-ON.html

Here's one where the drug cartel got theirs... but more evidence that it is a problem in Arizona. Vigilantism, perhaps...

http://ppjg.me/2010/07/11/mexican-d...-says-shoot-to-kill-americans-in-retaliation/

here's another:

http://www.examiner.com/article/beheaded-man-chandler-arizona-killed-by-mexican-drug-cartel

Here's a shootout just over the border:


And I notice you didn't comment about the fact that the cartels directly threatened Arizona police:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-police-arizona/story?id=10995661#.T-lNk_XNlOg
 
Damocles said:
Ah. I see, so nothing about the kidnapping? And I just drew up one, apparently it was the wrong one to pick, but that happens when you grab the first thing on google sometimes.

Are you really saying that nobody in Arizona was killed by drug cartels because this one wasn't?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...-likely-killed-by-drug-cartel-scout02-ON.html

Here's one where the drug cartel got theirs... but more evidence that it is a problem in Arizona. Vigilantism, perhaps...

http://ppjg.me/2010/07/11/mexican-d...-says-shoot-to-kill-americans-in-retaliation/

here's another:

http://www.examiner.com/article/beheaded-man-chandler-arizona-killed-by-mexican-drug-cartel

Here's a shootout just over the border:


And I notice you didn't comment about the fact that the cartels directly threatened Arizona police:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-police-arizona/story?id=10995661#.T-lNk_XNlOg
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This has nothing to do with cartels.

Typically, they inhabit state lands in order to grow weed. Hikers tend to stumble upon an armed guard, and are typically told to leave the area.....

Worst case, they meet no guard, and actually stumble upon the grow.

None of these growers/smugglers are driving around Arizona, getting stopped by cops.
 
Rana said:
Yeah, which has been greatly exaggerated. Make drugs legal, that will help more than this harrassment.
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LMAO> why don't you call DoJ ( Holder might be busy, so wait a bit) and ask Mr. War on Medical Marijuana( Obama) to stop it? That will "stop the harrasment " of medically needed patients.
Start there, you're not going to get legalization, not in our sczhiophrenic society that gobbles down pills, but won't allow proven cannibinoids to be grown, and distributed. Obama is going after BOTH the growers, and even the dispensaries by RICO ( seizure of even the land and property, and conspiracy).

Maybe start there, ask him to keep his word -which is rare for him to do so.
 
Damocles said:
I'm wondering if some Constitutional scholar will find a way to apply Article IV Section 4 of the US Constitution in such a lawsuit.
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great point.
Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence
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Az. wouln't be doing this if the Fed's -who claim the right to enforce immigration and laws pertaining would do their job.
DC is only interested in aquiring powers, not actually doing anything, but maintaining those powers.

I lay most of the blame on Congress, although Obama "promised" Comprehensive Imigration Reform" in his first 2 years.
He doesn't sully his hands working with Congress, can't even lead his party. He's on a mission to cling to power -all he really cares about.
 
annata said:
LMAO> why don't you call DoJ ( Holder might be busy, so wait a bit) and ask Mr. War on Medical Marijuana( Obama) to stop it? That will "stop the harrasment " of medically needed patients.
Start there, you're not going to get legalization, not in our sczhiophrenic society that gobbles down pills, but won't allow proven cannibinoids to be grown, and distributed. Obama is going after BOTH the growers, and even the dispensaries by RICO ( seizure of even the land and property, and conspiracy).

Maybe start there, ask him to keep his word -which is rare for him to do so.
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One of my greater disappointments with this President.
 
Althea said:
This has nothing to do with cartels.

Typically, they inhabit state lands in order to grow weed. Hikers tend to stumble upon an armed guard, and are typically told to leave the area.....

Worst case, they meet no guard, and actually stumble upon the grow.

None of these growers/smugglers are driving around Arizona, getting stopped by cops.
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There are rival gangs in Alaska and people killed over drug deals gone bad in Anchorage all the time. I said "exaggerated" because the drug cartel is not moving across the border and killing innocent people. It sounds like most of the killings were drug deals gone bad. The rancher being the exception, but like you said, he might have just shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all over the US and involves US. Citizens killing each other more than foreign druggies running across the border and declaring war on us.

Now US citizens going to border towns, need to be on high alert, although the rest of Mexico is relatively safe, the usual precautions still need to be taken.
 
Althea said:
This has nothing to do with cartels.

Typically, they inhabit state lands in order to grow weed. Hikers tend to stumble upon an armed guard, and are typically told to leave the area.....

Worst case, they meet no guard, and actually stumble upon the grow.

None of these growers/smugglers are driving around Arizona, getting stopped by cops.
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Which doesn't change anything I have posted.

Your assertion is that Arizona has no significant issues with illegal immigrants or drug cartels. You show nothing to prove they do not you just say "pish" to clear indication of significant issues. This isn't an argument, it is a simple admission.
 
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