PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
200,000 registered Demmycrats died last week........only half of them will vote in November.........
DEI has been around forever.
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Geeko Sportivo
Verified User
And Republicans live forever, shit glitter, and fart rainbows- AND NEVER LIE!
Have you got anymore BRAIN FARTS you would like to share with us?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
yes.....Harris got votes......
Geeko Sportivo
Verified User
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
and you'll get chance to vote for a nominee that has never gotten a vote from a Demmycrat before the election.........historic isn't it........consider the Demmycrat legacy.......first man in Oval Office who didn't win a constitutional election.........first president forced to step down because of dementia.......first presidential nominee who never got a vote from a Demmycrat........and that's not even counting their horrible record on the economy, the border and foreign affairs........
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Let's go through the Daily Beast's (a thoroughly pro-Obama source) claims:
1. Healthy people won't sign up. A combination canard and red herring. People who couldn't afford health insurance before and didn't qualify for expanded Medicaid didn't sign up. When Obamacare took effect there were about 25 million people without any health coverage. Eight years later there were still about 25 million people without health coverage.
2. You won't be able to keep your plan or doctor. That's absolutely true. In this respect it was a disaster. In many parts of the country you were reduced to choosing a plan from a single provider. In Arizona, there were counties, like Pinal, that had ZERO providers on the Obamacare plan.
3. Obamacare did up the deficit. Hundreds of billions a year, at a minimum had to be tossed at the system because insurers couldn't cover the cost of policies and the subsidies for those getting policies were government paid.
4. The article admits, freely, that Obamacare did hurt many state's budgets. No, no state saw its budget "busted" but that is simply a red herring in the form of an reductio ad absurdum fallacy by the article's author. It's a strawman argument.
5. Premiums did shoot through the roof. Excusing that by claiming subsidies covered people's costs, doesn't change that somebody--usually the government through taxpayers--were paying a lot more for health insurance.
ExpressLane
Verified User
The cover up is always worse.
ExpressLane
Verified User
She had a legal obligation to enact the 25th Amendment.
ExpressLane
Verified User
She could just recount his confusion. She does not have to release diagnostics information.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Let's (again) deconstruct your MAGA machinations point for point:
1. The main point of the ACA (Obamacare) was to have people get their healthcare THROUGH THEIR EMPLOYERS. The rest of your screed you pulled out of your ass (again). Here's a realistic take from Forbes 4 years ago: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2020/11/11/obamacare-10-years-later-success-or-failure/
2. Source please? And while you're scrambling, look at this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...ter-obamacare-popular-it-s-ever-been-n1164151
3. Once again, you take a partial truth and load on a LOT of misinformation, supposition and conjecture. Newsflash: the MAJOR contributor to the national deficit is our military spending and tax breaks for the wealthy. While our Healthcare has ALWAYS been ridiculously expensive and a debt driver, it's not the main culprit. This is old news: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...obama/obama-health-care-driving-down-deficit/
4. You don't even have the maturity to concede a point flat out. Instead, you try to BS your way to maintaining your erroneous contention by babbling with phrases like "reductio ad absurdum fallacy by the article's author. It's a strawman argument ". A collection of stupidity on your part, as the excerpt is integral part of the discussion. That it doesn't fully vet your beliefs has you all a fluster, and therefore comically trying to dismiss it.
5. It's not a "claim", stupid....it's a FACT. And once again you pull out of your ass an assertion that you cannot factually prove.
You excerpted this because you could not/dare not address the rest of my previous post. Like a good little Cheeto Jeezus acolyte, you'll keep revisiting the SOS of debunked and disproved Teabagger/MAGA talking points. That's insane, because the contrary facts to your drivel won't disappear. Carry on.
The Stalinista gaslighting never ends....
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
In that respect it's a fail. It only switched who was getting what coverage for the most part. Even today, the number of uninsured remains about the same as it was pre-Obamacare.
A Predictable Surprise: Twelve Years After Obamacare And We Are Worse Off Than Ever
In a recent analysis from the Commonwealth Fund, the U.S. ranked last on measures relating to access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and overall health care outcomes, even though we devote nearly twice as much of our GDP as the average OECD country to it.
www.forbes.com
Obamacare insurers dwindle as Humana, UnitedHealthcare exit Arizona
Only one health insurer has filed paperwork to sell Affordable Care Act plans in every Arizona county next year.
www.azcentral.com
11 Years Of ACA/ObamaCare, 11 Years Of Rising Costs
Eleven years of ObamaCare have done little to combat the ever-increasing cost of health care insurance for the American middle class.
www.forbes.com
FACT CHECK: OBAMACARE AND THE DEFICIT | U.S. Senate Committee On The Budget
The Official U.S. Senate Committee On The Budget
www.budget.senate.gov
An Unsustainable Path: How ObamaCare's Medicaid Expansion is Causing an Enrollment and Budget Crisis
The costs of Medicaid expansion—both for taxpayers and the most vulnerable—are simply too great to bear. States must reject it.
thefga.org
The Effects of the Medicaid Expansion on State Budgets: An Early Look in Select States | KFF
This brief examines the early state budget effects of the ACA Medicaid expansion in three states: Connecticut, New Mexico, and Washington State. States were asked about savings and costs in Medicaid, behavioral health, corrections, uncompensated care spending, etc. as well as revenues. Findings...
www.kff.org
Why Did Obamacare Premiums Increase So Much? – Policygenius
Obamacare premiums increased by an average of 22% for next year's health insurance plans. Here's why - and how you can still find affordable coverage.
www.policygenius.com
Overwhelming Evidence That Obamacare Caused Premiums To Increase Substantially
Two scholars at the renowned Brookings Institution, Loren Adler and Paul Ginsburg, have published an analysis finding that “average premiums in the individual market actually dropped significantly upon implementation of the ACA [Affordable Care Act].” This contrasts with a plethora of evidence...
www.forbes.com
I just demolished all of your rant. Everything I stated was and is true.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
You just don't get it, do you bunky? No matter how many myopic articles you pull out from the last 10 years, the BOTTOM LINE is that MORE PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY ENROLLING IN OBAMACARE. No state has been bankrupted because of it, no cascading numbers of businesses are folding up. I'll just pull the rug out from under some glaring BS mantras of yours....https://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/In that respect it's a fail. It only switched who was getting what coverage for the most part. Even today, the number of uninsured remains about the same as it was pre-Obamacare.
A Predictable Surprise: Twelve Years After Obamacare And We Are Worse Off Than Ever
In a recent analysis from the Commonwealth Fund, the U.S. ranked last on measures relating to access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and overall health care outcomes, even though we devote nearly twice as much of our GDP as the average OECD country to it.
Obamacare insurers dwindle as Humana, UnitedHealthcare exit Arizona
Only one health insurer has filed paperwork to sell Affordable Care Act plans in every Arizona county next year.www.azcentral.com
11 Years Of ACA/ObamaCare, 11 Years Of Rising Costs
Eleven years of ObamaCare have done little to combat the ever-increasing cost of health care insurance for the American middle class.
FACT CHECK: OBAMACARE AND THE DEFICIT | U.S. Senate Committee On The Budget
The Official U.S. Senate Committee On The Budgetwww.budget.senate.gov
An Unsustainable Path: How ObamaCare's Medicaid Expansion is Causing an Enrollment and Budget Crisis
The costs of Medicaid expansion—both for taxpayers and the most vulnerable—are simply too great to bear. States must reject it.
The Effects of the Medicaid Expansion on State Budgets: An Early Look in Select States | KFF
This brief examines the early state budget effects of the ACA Medicaid expansion in three states: Connecticut, New Mexico, and Washington State. States were asked about savings and costs in Medicaid, behavioral health, corrections, uncompensated care spending, etc. as well as revenues. Findings...
Why Did Obamacare Premiums Increase So Much? – Policygenius
Obamacare premiums increased by an average of 22% for next year's health insurance plans. Here's why - and how you can still find affordable coverage.www.policygenius.com
Overwhelming Evidence That Obamacare Caused Premiums To Increase Substantially
Two scholars at the renowned Brookings Institution, Loren Adler and Paul Ginsburg, have published an analysis finding that “average premiums in the individual market actually dropped significantly upon implementation of the ACA [Affordable Care Act].” This contrasts with a plethora of evidence...
I just demolished all of your rant. Everything I stated was and is true.
And the whopper is your running to the FGA ... as if they're objective: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...countability-food-stamps-snap-poverty-welfare
And I love how you double down on uninsured numbers: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023...er-record-breaking-aca-enrollment-period.html
These are just the more important aspects of how you insipidly stubborn and willfully ignorant teabagger/neocon/maga mooks just keep on the Gobbels play book regardless of the facts from reputable sources that disprove you.
Bottom line: You clowns can whine and wail about DEI all you want, but the FACTS will always be there to make 3 monkeys out of you (as you demonstrated with the ACA). Carry on in denial.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
No, Commie. No.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
No, enrollment is flat.
But the increased enrollment news that the Biden administration celebrated on Wednesday has not come without cost. Some of the millions of new enrollees have only turned to the marketplace because they have been booted off Medicaid, the nearly free health care coverage offered to the poorest Americans or those with disabilities. The health plans they purchase through the marketplace will have higher premiums and copays for services.
Roughly 14.5 million Americans have been recently kicked off Medicaid after the federal government lifted a 3-year ban that barred states from removing ineligible people from the government-sponsored health insurance. States began purging millions of people from Medicaid last year, during an error-plagued process that has left thousands of children and pregnant women erroneously without health insurance coverage in some states.
Worse, the newest scam is third party agents are now switching enrollee's plans without telling them so they can make bank on subsidies and kickbacks.
So, just like Medicare / aid fraud, Obamacare has produced a black-market industry of scammers that are bilking billions from the government.
https://paragoninstitute.org/private-health/the-20-billion-obamacare-subsidy-fraud/
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Amazing how your first 2 paragraphs HAVE NO LINK FOR DOCUMENTATION. Essentially you just repeat the SOS that my previous post articles (that use valid, documented sources) debunks.And as typical with stubborn MAGA mooks, since you can't BS past my links, you try to prove your assertion with articles regarding CASES OF FRAUD.
FRAUD, you blithering bumpkin! NOT SOMETHING BUILT INTO THE ACA. Fraud is perpetrated by unscrupulous folk committing a criminal act. Maybe you've heard of IDENTITIY THEFT? That's been going on for a LONG time now. Law enforcement agencies fight a seemingly never ending battle. Ever hear of insurance scams? If not, look it up. Bottom line is that the country has not grinded to a halt because of these criminals.
So for you and your fellow dimwits to latch onto this information like the ACA is the ONLY victim of such crime is pathetic. Also, YOU insinuate BEYOND the information available as to just how damaging this situation is. Here stupid, LEARN TO EVALUATE ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. https://www.npr.org/sections/health...health-insurance-brokers-obamacare-stop-fraud
Now run-a-long and try to find yet another alley to duck down in trying to shore up your anti-Obama bullshit. Or do your usual myopic repetition while denying/avoiding contrary facts. Like your DEI whining, the facts will always be there to be your undoing. Carry on.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
the liberal delulu is HUGE