You should probably stay out of this. You have nothing to add. All you are doing is being pious.
Dukkha is more than suffering.
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You should probably stay out of this. You have nothing to add. All you are doing is being pious.
being born again of The Holy Spirit frees the spirit of man. your pseudo intellectual faithlessness enslaves all who adhere to your worship of your own self. scriptures have been affected by man, however; The Holy Spirit does teach from the well preserved scriptures and comfort the redeemed which earnestly seek the knowledge, wisdom and will of The Lord. it is good.
it is my job to testify ; especially when the synagogue of satan is running amok unopposed. there are innocents which are influenced by false teachings/ apostasy/ antichristism, and I must interject a little truth. carry on. I am done now.
Modern People accept that you are Born, ... you Live, ... you Die. Period.
YOU ... are being controlled by others because they promise you Eternal Life ... somewhere.
OK. That's actually funny.salvation is real and tangible to me.The Creator has saved me from the way of destruction. I am Free and Living. no man can pluck me out of The Lord's hand...https://www.biblehub.com/kjv/romans/8.htm HALLELUJAH ! it is good. I will let you be.
Peace Be Upon You.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Please explain how you see "morality/moral sphere." I see it as intrinsically linked to behavior, rather than a philosophy of mind. IOW, to me "morality" is how I think of and treat other living beings. As for the impermanence of things, to consider this is uplifting and freeing, to me. I'll only be here for but a brief blip of time; better make something of that time. I'm a grain of star dust in the universe; there are untold exponents of 10 billions more sharing this realm. This is freeing. Everything dies. New life arises. So I think it's good to love hard, love long, don't be afraid to express how you feel to a friend or loved one. Honor and cherish your own life and all life that connects you with this planet. Fight hard against that which dishonors and hates life. I don't know what "philosophy" this fits under, it just is how I see and it and live it. Seems maybe that it's similar to what you are saying?
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
You might want to find a venue where you can preach to unsophisticated simpletons who will accept your beliefs. Have you checked the fish tanks at the back of your local Walmart?
WAIT A SECOND!
As per Buddhist teaching[1], we will take endless
repeated births and deaths[2] until nirvana[3] is achieved.
The teaching is NOT a revelation at the time.
Buddhism was a breakaway from Hindu Caste system
declaring a more democratic availability for the common man.
A esoteric meaning behind Buddha avatar-ship appearance
was to stop the common pseudo religious act of animal sacrifice
---thus Buddha denounced the then prevalent practice by denying
the Devas'[4] existence. By the time of Buddha's "scheduled"
avatara appearance/pastimes ---the Brahminical Caste was virtually
decimated by the influence of the epoch known as Kali-yuga,
which began approx 3100 BC coinciding with the time when Vishnu Incarnate
[aka Krishna] appeared within the ruling world's emperor Yudhasthira [Yadu Dynasty]
centered in its capital Hastipinapuri [Old Delhi India] ---for when Krishna's
pastimes ended, 99% of the Brahmin class retired to living out their lives
in renunciation and unerring yogic perfections so as to expedite their following
Krishna back to his own transcendent spiritual abode, which is outside the
material universe. Thus, the planet was virtually without a Brahmin.
BTW, at each change of the Yuga-epochs there is an inundation.
[1. Buddhism was a reformation movement away from the exclusivity of Brahminical Hinduism of Buddha's time]
[2. aka Samsara]
[3. cessation of samsara]
[4. the demigods per the Vedas and/or otherwise other deities]
So it is funny when folks say "At death everything disappears and I exist no more" ---where is there a place where things disappear?
Is there a Guru who says there is such a place?
<just saying>
yes I do recall some of that.
The Vedas were corrupted by the Bhraman class demanding payment or strict interpretation..something..
as a spiritual master I'm sure you know the details other then my feeble recollections.
But Buddhism was a reform of that exclusivity of the Bhraman class to holy texts.
.one no longer needed to be concerned with caste by Buddhists
I'm pretty sure release from maya is the goal? the cessation of samsara which I think is called going back to Godhead?
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
I take all of my Buddhist cues from Damo. If he says life is all about suffering, then, I will believe it.
About ten years ago, I attended an event at a Dominican cathedral (Blessed Sacrament) in Seattle. One of the priests played the role of Siddhartha and the other a Dominican, and they had quite an insightful dialogue, while attempting to remain faithful to their assigned roles.
About ten years ago, I attended an event at a Dominican cathedral (Blessed Sacrament) in Seattle. One of the priests played the role of Siddhartha and the other a Dominican, and they had quite an insightful dialogue, while attempting to remain faithful to their assigned roles.
yes that's the philosophy of the morals ( Eightfold Path) being linked to behavior.
The Path is a list of required behaviors/thinking ,to keep you on the Right Path
Working the Path means you are Bodhi (a practioner of Buddhism) -then there are the monks and sages
that dedicate their life occupation to the practice as well- deeper on their Path.
The big difference though from a "blip in time" is Saṃsāra (rebirth of imperfected karma).
That is an endless rebirth ( again not as a self but reconstructed imperfect karma) into dukkha for humanity,
or other Wheel of Life incarnations.
This endless century after century after eon rebirth is an unsatisfactory cycle. because of dukkha.
Getting off the Wheel is the final goal- Buddhists call that cessation process Enlightenment
So being around in human form is not common in every rebirth - there many more life forms that are not human.
Since only humans can work toward Enlightenment there is an understanding that this life is important; i.e.
A critical window of opportunity off the Wheel.
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i enjoy that comparative religion stuff as well.
Yes this life is all about suffering and amealiorating same; but recall dukkha is more then only suffering
as the Buddha taught
Anything you honor and seek help or aid from other than God can become an idol. Or as the Holy Scriptures declare, "You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them for I the Lord your God, am a jealous God...……." (Ex. 20:4-5)
The doctrine of reincarnation can become idolatry if one worships its precepts with expectations of anything other than a final judgment after life. Jesus teachings declare, there is only one go around in this reality called life, "Just as it is appointed for people to die once, and after this....the judgment ….so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are awaiting Him." -- Heb. 9:27-28
This message is clear within the writings of the New Testament Covenant...there is but one lifetime after which everyone will be judged. No endless cycle of life after life, of rebirth into any other lifeform. Christ teaches there is no need for endless reincarnations....He has already paid the ultimate price, He has already lived the perfect life and been offered as the perfect sacrifice to replace the imperfections (sins) of all mankind in the eyes of God....Christ is our advocate that stands between imperfection and God.....making it possible for heavenly ascension for anyone that accepts the conditions of the covenant. The chief conditions? Thy shall love thy God will all thy heart and have no other Gods before Him...the 2nd that combines all the teachings into a simple message....love thy neighbor as thyself.
The ultimate symbolism of Love? Truth...teaching simple truth. Truth is what sets one free...not endless physical life.
A simple question? If the teachings of Budda are agnostic in relation to accepting God as the ultimate creator and life giver.....just who gets to decide what happens to your soul along this path of constant reincarnations....who or what determines what is good, what is evil or what defines good karma and or bad karma, good acts of living or bad actions of living? Who gets to decide if you move "up" or "down" along the scales of this life everlasting? Logically this concept of teachings can only be considered true if someone other than Self is in charge of directing and choreographing this dance...no?
Who is in charge...who do you worship for this sage advise...if not a graven image? If you can't admit there is some form of energy that has this ultimate control...is there really any logic to this type of self denial and punishment if you don't have a guideline to advise? What I find interesting and contradicting at the same time about the teachings of a Buddhist is the fact the Buddhist teaches that he must pay for the evils he has preformed in this current life but rejects the ideology that such a payment even exists in the form of a final judgement.
Paul....an Apostle of the teachings of the Christ puts it more succinctly, "We are confident, yes well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing unto Him. For we must appear before the judgement seat of Christ; and each one receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are well known to God; and I trust also well known in your consciences." -- 2 Cor. 5:8-11
This teaching teaches us that God is not eager to punish the wicked as defined by Him (God)...but the teachings reveal that God cannot lie and Justice must be served in equality. "Do I (God) have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord God...and....not that he (the sinner that has strayed into evilness) should repent (turn from his ways) and live?" -- Ez. 18:23
If its not God that decides what is Justice....who does? Logically....there must exist a final authority other than self....or what's the point? Each man is an island unto himself?
There is no morality in nature....right is what the strong makes the weak endure. Is it murder when a big cat chases down and kills the weaker animal in order to sustain its own life? Of course not....its NATURE. There is no moral compass in nature, morality can only be accredited to have come from a higher authority than man or nature, morality only exists in mankind the only lifeform on earth that has the power of recognizing his/her own morality and thus plans for the path along this short life...that determines what is good and what is evil....but first there must be a code of ethics to adhere...where did this universal code come from? Why is morality instructed throughout every human culture on earth with certain constants always existing, such as Murder is wrong, honor your parents...etc., ?
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[the Law of Karma
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=law+of+karma+buddhism
The six realms of rebirth include Deva (heavenly), Asura (demigod), Manusya (human), Tiryak (animals), Preta (ghosts), and Naraka (resident of hell).
rebirth, state Buddhism traditions, is determined by karma, with good realms favored by Kushala (good karma), while a rebirth in evil realms is a consequence of Akushala (bad karma).
While Nirvana is the ultimate goal of Buddhist teaching, much of traditional Buddhist practice has been
centered on gaining merit and merit transfer, whereby one gains rebirth in the good realms and avoids rebirth in the evil realms.
and
https://www.britannica.com/topic/paticca-samuppada
the chain, or law, of dependent arising (paṭicca-samuppāda), or the chain of causation—a fundamental concept of Buddhism describing the causes of suffering (dukkha) and the course of events that lead a being through rebirth, old age, and death.
karma refers to the idea that intentional actions have consequences for the agent, in this life and in future lives; in fact, it is karma that leads to rebirth. Buddhists understand the law of karma as another manifestation of dependent arising (paṭicca-samuppāda), the law of cause and effect, whereby everything that exists arises due to specific conditions. In this sense, the law of karma is a sort of natural law, so that actions are naturally followed by consequences, not as the result of divine judgement. But they will follow: the Buddha emphasised that actions lead inevitably to appropriate consequences:
That's about as clear as mud. Still no one can explain who gets to define what is good and is evil.....the judge of man the moral lawgiver, man himself if not God? If so what is the point in worshiping, serving SELF?
Personally I don't think much of a religion where its basic precepts can't be explained by a person who professes to observe its tenants but attempts to cut and paste a cookie cutter form letter mission statement like some giant corporate conglomerate.
If you don't comprehend your own faith to the point that you can articulate its basic precepts when asked.....how you going to spread the good word? I have encountered Watch Tower cultists that generate more interest than some generalist form mission statement parroted from the web. In fact when they come to my house, I invite them in....and in short order they are the one's looking at their watch arms and saying, I'd like to talk more by we have go. All you have to do is go into a detailed discussion about the actual content found in the Holy Scriptures...kind'a makes them uncomfortable for some reason.
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feel free to delete your post , and put it on a Christian thread.
I'm not going to debate you or comment on Scripture on a Buddhist thread.
Really? Unlike Christian doctrine.....you have no tenet about revealing why the content of your heart directs you to Buddhism? When a Christian is asked about his/her faith there should be a response as to why your faith is valid why hope remains in your heart. Makes one wonder about socks and pretention...no?
You are either a student of the faith that rests in your heart or its all eyewash...an in vogue attempt to seek accolade. A faith not worth defending is not worth serving. "But sanctify the Lord in your hearts; be ready always to give an answer to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you." -- 1 Peter 3:15
To me its about evidences of faith.....Christian faith is not blind, we are instructed to PROVE ALL THINGS, TO TEST ALL THINGS (1 Thess. 5:21-22) If something does not present itself as logical or reasoned truth....then its probably not truth. I can find no Prima Facie truth in Buddhism....there is no evidences of reincarnation possible, its a blind tenet of faith.
But....to each his own, I can only defend MY FAITH.
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Really? Unlike Christian doctrine.....you have no tenet about revealing why the content of your heart directs you to Buddhism? When a Christian is asked about his/her faith there should be a response as to why your faith is valid why hope remains in your heart. Makes one wonder about socks and pretention...no?
"But sanctify the Lord in your hearts; be ready always to give an answer to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you." -- 1 Peter 3:15
To me its about evidences of faith.....Christian faith is not blind, we are instructed to PROVE ALL THINGS, TO TEST ALL THINGS (1 Thess. 5:21-22) If something does not present itself as logical or reasoned truth....then its probably not truth. I can find no Prima Facie truth in Buddhism....there is no evidences of reincarnation possible, its a blind tenet of faith.
But....to each his own, I can only defend MY FAITH.
Ralph: "PROVE ALL THINGS, TO TEST ALL THINGS"
Jack: Since we know NOTHING about what occurs AFTER death, it's all SPECULATiION and CONJECTURE.
Just because I believe I turn into a Rabbit after Death, doesn't make it true. We have NO idea if there is a Level 2, a Level 3, a Level 4, ... of if there IS a NEXT Level.