Einstein vs. Bohr

I think I have a headache looking at this one. Is that how it is at subatomic level?

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AProudLefty said:
I think I have a headache looking at this one. Is that how it is at subatomic level?

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The philosophical question is whether we are seeing the subatomic world as it actually is, or are we seeing sensory images processed by our technology to make it accessible to our cognitive framework.
 
Cypress said:
The philosophical question is whether we are seeing the subatomic world as it actually is, or are we seeing sensory images processed by our technology to make it accessible to our cognitive framework.
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Well your OP is about the clash between Einstein and Bohr.

Then you talked about the reality being objective or subjective.

I said both are correct at the same time.
 
AProudLefty said:
Well your OP is about the clash between Einstein and Bohr.

Then you talked about the reality being objective or subjective.

I said both are correct at the same time.
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I think the dichotomy of the subjective and objective is misleading. I mean, it is not a real conflict.
Too often people think objective means objectively true. And subjective means only from my perspective.
 
BidenPresident said:
I think the dichotomy of the subjective and objective is misleading. I mean, it is not a real conflict.
Too often people think objective means objectively true. And subjective means only from my perspective.
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You are talking about philosophy.

The OP is talking about the dichotomy between Einstein and Bohr (or any other physicists who opposed him).

ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

That is my point.

Unifying theories of the universe cannot be possible because ALL OF THEM are correct.
 
AProudLefty said:
You are talking about philosophy.

The OP is talking about the dichotomy between Einstein and Bohr (or any other physicists who opposed him).

ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

That is my point.

Unifying theories of the universe cannot be possible because ALL OF THEM are correct.
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Bohr and Heisenberg were philosophers. That made them good scientists.
 
AProudLefty said:
You are talking about philosophy.

The OP is talking about the dichotomy between Einstein and Bohr (or any other physicists who opposed him).

ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

That is my point.

Unifying theories of the universe cannot be possible because ALL OF THEM are correct.
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I think they work exceedingly well and have excellent explanatory power. Whether they are actually correct is another matter.
The rate of expansion of the universe and the hypothesis of dark energy and dark matter suggest either there might be something wrong with classical Newtonian mechanics and relatively, or our standard model of particle physics is really missing something.

General relativity was really the last theory of classical science. The hope is that a quantum theory of gravity will replace it, resulting in a grand unification of the fundamental forces.
 
AProudLefty said:
Hence the objective/subjective problem going all the way back to Aristotle and some other Greek philosophers.

Fun fact: one of those Greek philosophers brought up the idea of atoms.

Why those ideas didn't pick up sooner is another topic.
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I read a book on the history of science last year -- although known to the Medievals, the atomism of Democritus was not favored nor did it have much influnce in Europe up until at least the Renaissance for several reasons:

Democritus was arguably the world's first atheist and his atomism was unpalatable to medieval Christian Europe for moral and aesthetic reasons -- they could not fathom that the only reality which existed consisted of small indivisible particles and the void.

Aristotle forcibly rejected atomism, and medieval Christian Europe put the authority of Aristotle on a pedestal.
 
No double charges.

When I researched it I didn’t see this. Now I have both.
EZ pass only charged me up to Baltimore harbor.

Everywhere Sunpass is accepted, E-Pass is also accepted. They are exactly the same. E-Pass does offer discounts on toll roads they operate (for example, 417 in Orlando area). In the end, E-Pass offers better discounts and they offer free transponders.

Let’s seA what happens.
 
AProudLefty said:
That was a stroke of genius. Those 4 equations are what made everything possible today.
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A slight thread drift.
Since the discovery of quarks, C squared has to vary, making it impossible for the speed of light to be constant. General relativity will be replaced sometime this century.
 
goat said:
A slight thread drift.
Since the discovery of quarks, C squared has to vary, making it impossible for the speed of light to be constant. General relativity will be replaced sometime this century.
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Explain. The speed of light is what explains everything.
 
goat said:
Space is not empty, it's filled with quarks that have a random amount of energy that affects the speed of light. General relativity needs to be modified.
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Explain more. Without the medium, the speed of light remains the same.
 
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