Um...I can't think of one.
Even the Washington Post is roasting Kamala Harris
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Geeko Sportivo
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He is a SMART ALEC and is no smarter than you or I.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
keep your bone in your pants, perv.......
moon
Satire for Sanity
As I said- you don't have one.
Haw, haw, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,haw
Now quit your yapping
Rationing combined with price controls is not quite the same thing as price fixing, but I hear you. While there was massive inflation due to this, most of that was offset by the new norm of two income households. Women became a fixture in the workforce as families often could no longer afford items they could on a single income. Each time a government artificially limits production the "leadership" becomes rich, and the populace become a bit poorer for it. I understand the sacrifices we made to beat back Hitler and the Japanese in WWII, but it doesn't mean it "worked" in quite the fashion you think, in the end we still had to pay the piper.
The portion of the economy in China that is creating the "second strongest" (largest not strongest though) economy is fascistic, not socialistic. They allowed the "get rich" incentive in order to make it functional while maintaining government control, some portions of the companies are owned by investors who become rich. There are Chinese Billionaires, that is not a function of socialism.
In places where socialism (not high taxes like republicans like to call socialism, but actual communism/socialism) we see only failure. From Venezuela to the USSR, East Germany, to North Korea, it fails every. Single. Time.
You say Tomahto...I say Tomato.
There was price fixing...and it worked.
In any case, for anyone in the upper middle-class or below...progressive policy will end up working more in their favor than regressive...and what the Republicans offer is more often regressive than progressive...and what the Democrats offer is more often progressive than regressive.
Said another way: MOST of Trump's voters would end up much better off by voting for Kamala Harris. But getting them to understand that is like getting a ferret to understand quantum mechanics.
If you insist...I'll reword my comment.
Why do people still say that socialism has never worked anywhere at all?
China has been socialistic since the 1940's...AND IT IS THE SECOND LARGEST ECONOMY ON THE PLANET.
Yes, the Chinese have been smart enough to borrow some ideas from other disciplines which has helped. BUT SOCIALISM GOT THEM TO WHERE THEY ARE.
Some day...perhaps when the American right is given the drubbing it so richly deserves...we will borrow some from the socialistic discipline...and toward where we should be using capitalism.
No, the fascist economic system got them where they are, you aren't paying attention. I know you want "socialism" to have worked somewhere, but it didn't here either. They had to allow in other forms of economics in order to get them where they are. Before that they were failing.
It's also interesting how folks seem to forget the protestors that were shut down by Covid in Hong Kong. We all cared about their freedom right up until people became afraid of the disease that "got out" from a Chinese Lab. The protests were against the infiltration of the economic system into Hong Kong... I still wonder why those folks didn't leave while they were still UK citizens I would never have stayed in a place with a totalitarian government taking over no matter how often they promised to leave us alone.
cawacko
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I am certainly not going to put myself out here as some expert on China because I am not. But at a very high level I know this. China started to open up it's economy to much freer markets and outside investment several decades back (which is why they were allowed into the WTO for example). That's when we saw the change and their economic growth.
Having a communist government they have never operated on a democratic free market system like the U.S. but their growth came from allowing (certain) market forces to work. Over the past decade under XI we've seen then pull back from that and they are operating under a much more state run capitalism type model (and you'll notice they are having real issues).
So they have not run their economy like the old Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba etc.
T. A. Gardner
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One point. Today the Chinese government is communist in name only. It has become a thoroughly fascist government instead.
Damo...if you are not willing to acknowledge that China has been socialistic for 70 years...and has the second largest economy in the world...there is no use talking to you on this issue.
You are one of those people who wants to demand that socialism has never worked.
Okay...insist if you must...if it meets some need of yours.
If you want...why not insist that Trump is not the Republican Party candidate for president and Kamala Harris is not the Democratic Party candidate for president...or that the Democrats control the House and the Republicans control the Senate.
Let me know when you want to get back to reality. I enjoy talking with you when you are real.
It is China.
They have been socialistic since just after WWII.
And they are the second largest economy on the planet.
The entire world knows and acknowledges this...except the MAGA morons who have to deny it in order to toe the line with their masters.
Oh, well.
Poor bastards.
T. A. Gardner
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cawacko
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Respectfully, I'm not sure what being liberal or conservative in America has to do with describing China's plight. What I wrote above was the path China has taken.
Bookings is a left-leaning think tank and this is from 2001 after China joined the WTO.
Issues in China’s WTO Accession
But the Chinese leadership has also come to realize that participation in an increasingly globalized economy requires not simply drastically reduced tariffs, but also the development of a market economy. In the words of Long Yongtu, Vice-Minister of Foreign Trade and China’s chief global trade negotiator, “Countries with planned economies have never participated in economic globalization. China’s economy must become a market economy in order to become part of the global economic system, as well as to effectively participate in the economic globalization process.”
Issues in China's WTO Accession
Issues in China's WTO Accession, testimony before the US-China Security Review Commission, by Nicholas Lardy, Senior fellow, the Brookings Institution
www.brookings.edu
China has not developed a market economy like we have in the U.S. Nor is their model something we should aspire too. But they didn't just switch from being one of the poorest countries on the planet to the second wealthiest using the exact same economic model they had been using for decades prior.
I am a Capitalist. I may be the only one here in JPP who has ever actually worked on Wall Street...the focal center of our capitalism.
I happen to be a leftist capitalist. (There is no inherent contradiction there.)
I do not want a socialistic economy.
BUT WE ARE STUPID NOT TO BORROW SOME IDEAS FROM SOCIALISM IN CERTAIN AREAS...just as some socialistic countries have borrowed ideas from capitalism (free enterprise) to strengthen their economies.
Or at least, the far right jerkoffs among us are stupid to prevent that from happening.
Anything else bothering you that I can help you with?
I would suggest you read the genesis of my remarks...and you will understand why I wrote what I wrote.Respectfully, I'm not sure what being liberal or conservative in America has to do with describing China's plight. What I wrote above was the path China has taken.
Bookings is a left-leaning think tank and this is from 2001 after China joined the WTO.
Issues in China’s WTO Accession
But the Chinese leadership has also come to realize that participation in an increasingly globalized economy requires not simply drastically reduced tariffs, but also the development of a market economy. In the words of Long Yongtu, Vice-Minister of Foreign Trade and China’s chief global trade negotiator, “Countries with planned economies have never participated in economic globalization. China’s economy must become a market economy in order to become part of the global economic system, as well as to effectively participate in the economic globalization process.”
Issues in China's WTO Accession
Issues in China's WTO Accession, testimony before the US-China Security Review Commission, by Nicholas Lardy, Senior fellow, the Brookings Institution
China has not developed a market economy like we have in the U.S. Nor is their model something we should aspire too. But they didn't just switch from being one of the poorest countries on the planet to the second wealthiest using the exact same economic model they had been using for decades prior.