Former Top Canadian Dr. Brian Day: Obamacare Will Bring Rationed Care & Skyrocketing
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
So you admit it's a death matrix?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Except you and Obama want to put Federal dollars into the equation. *shrug*
Why do you keep linking to FactCheck? Its a George Soros organization.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
And there you have it folks, the irrational and childishly stubborn mindset of the willfully ignorant neocon parrot.
FactCheck.org has been used numerous times by BOTH SIDES of the political fence to debunk hype, distortions and lies. What our resident neocon clown here confuses is factcheck.COM, which is a Soros owned site. It's an easy mistake....especially if one DOES NOT READ what is on the site, as Southie obviously is prone to do. This results in his repeating an assertion that is disproved with facts and logic, as FactCheck.ORG clearly shows.
Southie cannot prove his case...so he relies heavily on his opinion, supposition, conjecture and general proud ignorance on related matters. So much more to pity him.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Ok, but you and Obama still want to put Federal dollars into the equation of "take the pain pill or treat the condition". That's a huge problem, isn't it? *shrug*
christiefan915
Catalyst
The decision isn't being forced on anybody. That's the point of an advance directive, the individual makes his own decision about his own care.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Ridiculous. It has nothing to do with them thinking about ending their lives, and everything about how their care should be handled if they can't make the decision at the time. Obviously you didn't read the entire booklet.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Once budgetary constraints are realized, and they always are, of course they will be.
christiefan915
Catalyst
A revised version of the manual actually came out during the bush administration (2001) and was used for 7 years. I guess he was for it before he was against it.
http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_First_edition_20001001.pdf
Also, bush didn't want vets to get other care they were entitled to, and they took the administration to court over it. bush only caved when his suit was rejected. Not exactly a champion of the military.
The Bush administration on Wednesday filed arguments in a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court of San Francisco stating that veterans have no legal right to specific types of medical care, the San Francisco Chronicle reports. The arguments were filed in response to a class-action lawsuit brought by veterans who claim they were illegally denied mental health treatment by the Department of Veterans Affairs (Egelko, San Francisco Chronicle, 2/5).
...In January, U.S. District Judge Samuel Conti rejected the government's attempt to have the case dismissed, ruling that federal law entitles veterans to health care for a period of two years after leaving the service (Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, 1/11). A bill signed by President Bush last week extends the period from two to five years.
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/DAILY_REPORTS/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=50224
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
"The page cannot be found
"The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."
christiefan915
Catalyst
Try this one. For some reason the other stopped after YLYC. It also works if you c & p.
http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_First_edition_20001001.pdf
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
Yeah, it's ridiculous you think it wouldn't have an affect on them...damn ridiculous.
If you mean the topic is death, yes, but the compassion involved in this intance seems to be beyond your comprehension.
The life is mine, the death is mine, thus the decision is mine to prevent forcing my family to make a decision I should have had the courage to make on my own.
The doctor tells the family it's hopeless? Pull the plug, that's what his living will stipulates. You as a good Conservative would interfere?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No one's arguing against compassion, unless you include the bureaucrats who would run the program, who must oversee a budget.
christiefan915
Catalyst
You can get booklets like this from lawyers, hospitals or funeral directors. I suppose you think it's all a big conspiracy to promote euthanasia.
That is exactly what you're arguing against. It's just that you will say anything, regardless of truth, to spin against a healthcare bill with the name Obama or a 'D' on it. You can't even be truthful with yourself.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No...
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
You can get booklets like this from lawyers, hospitals or funeral directors. I suppose you think it's all a big conspiracy to promote euthanasia.
Yes, I know you can, but I am talking just about page 21. It's idiotic and should be taken out and flushed down the toilet. I understand the VA is working now to revise it.
evince
Truthmatters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Day
Conservatives for Patients' Rights commercial controversy
In May 2009, Day drew fire from critics by appearing in a television ad [5] for a US lobby group called Conservatives for Patients' Rights that argues against Obama's healthcare reform plan.
The ad campaign is organized by Creative Response Concepts, the public relations firm group most famous for the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth ads against against 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry [6].
Day appeared on the television network BNN on May 11, 2009 [7] stating that he has issued a letter dissociating himself from the ad, and that the sentences were extracted from a 40 minute interview from what he understood was going to be a longer documentary.
In a Washingtom Times article (May 2009)[missing citation], Day explained that he actually supports a government role in health care funding and delivery, and supports Obama's efforts to provide access to necessary health care for all currently under insured US citizens. He has always been a supporter of access for all that is not based on ability to pay but, unlike some of his detractors, he does not support a state monopoly in the delivery or funding of care.
Conservatives for Patients' Rights commercial controversy
In May 2009, Day drew fire from critics by appearing in a television ad [5] for a US lobby group called Conservatives for Patients' Rights that argues against Obama's healthcare reform plan.
The ad campaign is organized by Creative Response Concepts, the public relations firm group most famous for the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth ads against against 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry [6].
Day appeared on the television network BNN on May 11, 2009 [7] stating that he has issued a letter dissociating himself from the ad, and that the sentences were extracted from a 40 minute interview from what he understood was going to be a longer documentary.
In a Washingtom Times article (May 2009)[missing citation], Day explained that he actually supports a government role in health care funding and delivery, and supports Obama's efforts to provide access to necessary health care for all currently under insured US citizens. He has always been a supporter of access for all that is not based on ability to pay but, unlike some of his detractors, he does not support a state monopoly in the delivery or funding of care.
