Get Out of Iraq Now? Not So Fast, Experts Say

Dixie said:
Since you're virtually always wrong, I'm going to assume

Well of course you are Prissy, that was the reason it was so important to you, to establish a database of my words, to portray me as always being wrong. It lets you get away with assuming, when you can't really debate.

I understand completely!
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They're exact quotes of your own words. I'm afraid you'll have to stand by what you wrote, instead of running away from them.

If you hate been proven wrong all the time, stop being wrong all the time.

Of course, that probably means by neccessity that you'll have to stop being a republican.

:cool:
 
I'm hardly wrong "all the time" as I've demonstrated with you in these threads recently. It is your false perception, and obsessive attempts to make it appear I am always wrong. As I said, I fully understand the tactic, I don't understand why you are so afraid.
 
What is constant throughout all of this is DIxie's absolutely pathological inability to EVER admit that he was wrong about anything. In this, he takes his cues from his loverboy in bluejeans who has yet to make a mistake as president from his own perspective.
 
maineman said:
What is constant throughout all of this is DIxie's absolutely pathological inability to EVER admit that he was wrong about anything. In this, he takes his cues from his loverboy in bluejeans who has yet to make a mistake as president from his own perspective.
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That doesn't seem to be true with the changes currently taking place in his administration.
 
maineman said:
have you ever heard Dubya admit to personally making any mistakes?

yes or no?
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Actions often speak louder than words. Hiring people that are almost directly in opposition to the past tends to make me believe that the changes were made not because he thought himself perfect.
 
blah blah blah.... it really was a simple yes or no question.

either answer it or don't...but if you chose not to...shut your piehole and quit wiggling.
 
maineman said:
blah blah blah.... it really was a simple yes or no question.

either answer it or don't...but if you chose not to...shut your piehole and quit wiggling.
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I answered. It really was a long "yes" answer. One doesn't have to say something to get a point accross. Adults know this, and I know you do. If you don't want to be honest you don't have to. But his actions lately decry the "myth" that he thinks he has never made a mistake.
 
MM: People under the age of 30 probably are unaware of the great tradition of american presidents going on TV, face to face with the american people, and owning up to mistakes, taking full responsibily, and apologizing for them: Kennedy with Bay of Pigs, Carter with the failed iran hostage rescue, Reagan with trading arms for hostages, and Clinton for a blowjob.

To the younger generation, it probably seems normal for Bush to never explicity apologize or formally take responsibility for any blunders.
 
This is called a Theocracy...one would think the Libs would be pounding the table on this issue rather than just bash GW!

This is something many libs brought up at the time of the constitution being written, only to be told by many hardcore conservatives that it wasn't.....
 
I'm hardly wrong "all the time" as I've demonstrated with you in these threads recently.

Dixie, you may be articulate and rhetorically gifted, but you are wrong in the majority of cases....
 
maineman said:
What is constant throughout all of this is DIxie's absolutely pathological inability to EVER admit that he was wrong about anything. In this, he takes his cues from his loverboy in bluejeans who has yet to make a mistake as president from his own perspective.
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Perhaps it's best if we simply pretend we never saw the lover boy in blue jeans letter. The psychological implications are too terrifying to contemplate.

On the other hand, Maineman, I am LMAO
 
Damocles said:
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: November 15, 2006

WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 — One of the most resonant arguments in the debate over Iraq holds that the United States can move forward by pulling its troops back, as part of a phased withdrawal. If American troops begin to leave and the remaining forces assume a more limited role, the argument holds, it will galvanize the Iraqi government to assume more responsibility for securing and rebuilding Iraq.

This is the case now being argued by many Democrats, most notably Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who asserts that the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq should begin within four to six months.

But this argument is being challenged by a number of military officers, experts and former generals, including some who have been among the most vehement critics of the Bush administration’s Iraq policies.

NY Times Link...
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Not so fast? Not so fast!? It's gone on longer than World war Two! Not so fast?

It was the experts who got us into Iraq, if you recall. John McCain is now considered, by people like Michael Gordon, to be "somebody who has been a vehement critic of the bush adminstration's Iraq policies".

If only common sense will prevail. We have been there longer than it took to win WWII. There is no improvement. People are dying. Our military is stressed to the max. Since the very definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, let's do something new, leave and see what happens.

And don't forget what John Le Carre wrote in, "The Russia House". Pretty striking and certainly wise advice, especially considering the kinds of experts we have been stuck with in our time.

" 'I do not like experts, they are our jailers.... Experts are addicts. They solve nothing. They are servants of whatever system hires them. They perpetuate it. When we are tortured, we shall be tortured by experts. When we are hanged, experts will hang us.... When the world is destroyed, it will be destroyed not by its madmen but by the sanity of its experts and the superior ignorance of its bureaucrats.' "
 
Gaffer said:
The first mistake made by the administration was letting the iraqis write a constitution based on islamic law. which makes islam a state religion. They can't have a democratic society with a state religion.
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They can have whatever they want .. It's THEIR country.
 
Damocles said:
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: November 15, 2006

WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 — One of the most resonant arguments in the debate over Iraq holds that the United States can move forward by pulling its troops back, as part of a phased withdrawal. If American troops begin to leave and the remaining forces assume a more limited role, the argument holds, it will galvanize the Iraqi government to assume more responsibility for securing and rebuilding Iraq.

This is the case now being argued by many Democrats, most notably Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who asserts that the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq should begin within four to six months.

But this argument is being challenged by a number of military officers, experts and former generals, including some who have been among the most vehement critics of the Bush administration’s Iraq policies.

NY Times Link...
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"Experts" ???

You mean like the same kind of "experts" who thought invading Iraq was a good idea?

What the "experts" say or think doesn't mean shit. Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people and THEY want the US to get the fuck out of THEIR country.
 
Damocles said:
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: November 15, 2006

WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 — One of the most resonant arguments in the debate over Iraq holds that the United States can move forward by pulling its troops back, as part of a phased withdrawal. If American troops begin to leave and the remaining forces assume a more limited role, the argument holds, it will galvanize the Iraqi government to assume more responsibility for securing and rebuilding Iraq.

This is the case now being argued by many Democrats, most notably Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who asserts that the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq should begin within four to six months.

But this argument is being challenged by a number of military officers, experts and former generals, including some who have been among the most vehement critics of the Bush administration’s Iraq policies.

NY Times Link...
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Thanks for that trip down memory lane Damo. 2006 was an interesting year. Lets fast forward to the current situation in Iraq shall we?

http://www.alternet.org/audits/81626/

General William Odom on Iraq: Immediate Withdrawal the Only Option that Makes Sense

"...The surge is prolonging instability, not creating the conditions for unity as the president claims...."
 
Did anyone catch Bush from that interview he did this week? He "disagreed" that the Iraq situation has strengthened Iran's hand in the Middle East.

They were showing clips of it on "Countdown." The guy is more detached from reality than ever....
 
Onceler said:
Did anyone catch Bush from that interview he did this week? He "disagreed" that the Iraq situation has strengthened Iran's hand in the Middle East.

They were showing clips of it on "Countdown." The guy is more detached from reality than ever....
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It would almost be laughable if the stakes weren't so high. I can't stand that man.
 
Onceler said:
Did anyone catch Bush from that interview he did this week? He "disagreed" that the Iraq situation has strengthened Iran's hand in the Middle East.

They were showing clips of it on "Countdown." The guy is more detached from reality than ever....
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I think that’s been a Republican ploy for years now, and it’s worked. It’s not about being detached from reality, it’s about “creating our own reality”. And everything is about “opinion” not facts. This allows the media to “present both sides” in the interests of so-called fairness. One side says this, but, “some republicans disagree”. Some say the earth is warming, but, some republicans disagree.

We’re in a new world now. There are no facts. When you turn everything into a debatable “opinion” that’s how you get away with the shit they’ve gotten away with, including, torturing. Some say we torture, Bush disagrees. The media will not step in, having been properly cowed by years of right wing whining about the “liberal media” they now spend their time on their knees, ever eager to “prove” they’re not liberal.

And so on and on it goes. Meanwhile, the world burns.
 
Darla said:
Not so fast? Not so fast!? It's gone on longer than World war Two! Not so fast?

It was the experts who got us into Iraq, if you recall. John McCain is now considered, by people like Michael Gordon, to be "somebody who has been a vehement critic of the bush adminstration's Iraq policies".

If only common sense will prevail. We have been there longer than it took to win WWII. There is no improvement. People are dying. Our military is stressed to the max. Since the very definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, let's do something new, leave and see what happens.

And don't forget what John Le Carre wrote in, "The Russia House". Pretty striking and certainly wise advice, especially considering the kinds of experts we have been stuck with in our time.

" 'I do not like experts, they are our jailers.... Experts are addicts. They solve nothing. They are servants of whatever system hires them. They perpetuate it. When we are tortured, we shall be tortured by experts. When we are hanged, experts will hang us.... When the world is destroyed, it will be destroyed not by its madmen but by the sanity of its experts and the superior ignorance of its bureaucrats.' "
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Talk about raising the dead. This thread was buried, why the gravedigging?
 
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