"GOP, the elite's Party"

Epicurus said:
PAYGO can be a tax increase.
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That's right! But a tax increase is usually more honest and better than a lie followed by deficit spending.

If congress wants to increase spending then they should either have to cut other programs or raise taxes to account for the required expenditure and if they cannot, then they cannot have the money.

Eliminating paygo was, next to invading Iraq, the most irresponsible act of the last 50 years.
 
Southern Man said:
Compare the party nominees over the last few decades and you'll see how full of crap this guy is.
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Really? Reagan began the slide for the middle class, Bush and Rove brought back a situation similar to the time of the great depression. Carter suffered through the stagflation of the Nixon Ford years and Eisenhower pretty continued the new deal. When the key tenet of your political philosophy is the government is the problem it makes governing impossible. But it does allow friends to rape and pillage as Cheney and his so called energy policy allowed.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.wolfe.html
 
midcan5 said:
Really? Reagan began the slide for the middle class, Bush and Rove brought back a situation similar to the time of the great depression. Carter suffered through the stagflation of the Nixon Ford years and Eisenhower pretty continued the new deal. When the key tenet of your political philosophy is the government is the problem it makes governing impossible. But it does allow friends to rape and pillage as Cheney and his so called energy policy allowed.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.wolfe.html
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We should just worshop the state like good fascists.
 
Threedee said:
We should just worshop the state like good fascists.
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That's an extremist comment Three and Midcan's point is absolutely correct. How can you expect effective government from people who essentially don't believe in governance. Who believe that government is a problem.

Well the Bush administration has proven just how important affective government is. Government may not be the solution to everything but having affective government is damned important.

That's the single biggest reason to not support Republican ideology cause on this point, they couldn't be more wrong.
 
Mottleydude said:
That's an extremist comment Three and Midcan's point is absolutely correct. How can you expect effective government from people who essentially don't believe in governance. Who believe that government is a problem.

Well the Bush administration has proven just how important affective government is. Government may not be the solution to everything but having affective government is damned important.

That's the single biggest reason to not support Republican ideology cause on this point, they couldn't be more wrong.
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So, you think the Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Q. Adams administrations were bad? I don't agree with the ideology of the first two, but they definitely supported limited government.
 
Threedee said:
So, you think the Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Q. Adams administrations were bad? I don't agree with the ideology of the first two, but they definitely supported limited government.
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You seem to confuse limited government with the limited powers of government. Limited government for the sake of limited government, particularly when it advocates inefective government is just plain stupid.
 
Mottleydude said:
You seem to confuse limited government with the limited powers of government. Limited government for the sake of limited government, particularly when it advocates inefective government is just plain stupid.
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Having limited powers means you are limited not just in stature but in size as well. As DQ would say, "oh well."
 
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