Head of Hamas government in Gaza eliminated

[T. A. Gardner]

You are now backtracking on your original point. Providing aid to a sovereign nation does not guarantee the use of that aid.

Wholly-owned subsidiaries, on the other hand, are completely obedient to their parent organization, and especially don't want to lose their paychecks while watching their department get cut.

I really shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Terrorist groups are not "Wholly-owned subsidiaries" and you have NO PROOF to the contrary! Your personal opinion based on nothing, means exactly that: NOTHING!

Hamas and their military arm, the Al-Qassam brigades, are not controlled by Iran even if Iran finances them to whatever degree.

In 2021 the Palestinian Authority gave Hamas $2.1 billion in aid. Since then the PA continues to fund them. Do they control Hamas?

Qatar gives Hamas about $600 million a year right now. Does Qatar control Hamas?

Your position on this is as absurd as it is insane.

 

[IBDaMann]

Terrorist groups are not "Wholly-owned subsidiaries"

False. This gets to the root of your error. Al Qassam, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad are wholly owned subsidiaries of Iran, not sovereign countries as you so desperately need for your support of genocide to seem plausible. You have not shown how Gaza's administrators somehow controlled Iran's proxies. Until you do, all your arguments, being based on your stupid conflation of Iran's wholly owned subsidiaries with Gaza's administrators, are summarily discarded.

Nobody needs to prove that Iran's proxies are somehow controlled by Iran, yet this is your "stall for time" demand. Yours is to prove that Gaza's administrators somehow control Iran's proxies. Obviously you can't because Iran's proxies OBEY Iran, but the fact that you would double down on something that stupid reveals your true agenda for what it is. You simply want to witness Israel slaughter the Arabs and you will contort the truth as much as it takes.

Hamas and their military arm

You first need to show that Gaza's administrators somehow control Iran's proxies before you can claim that Gaza's administrators somehow have a military. You have not yet done this, by the way, because you cannot, because Gaza's administrators have no military because they do not control Iran's proxies.

You still have nothing.

the Al-Qassam brigades, are not controlled by Iran

Stupid claim. Iran formed Al Qassam for the purpose of bolstering the Ayatollah's ability to destroy Israel, and Iran has always funded Al Qassam roughly $100 million annually (more or less, adjusted for inflation). Who do you expect to believe you, outside Team Israel, of course?

In 2021 the Palestinian Authority gave Hamas $2.1 billion in aid.

Nope. In 2021, the United States (USAID) delivered $2.1 billion in humanitarian aid specifically to Gaza, aimed at addressing acute humanitarian needs in Gaza, e.g. emergency food assistance, healthcare, water and sanitation services, and shelter for those rendered homeless. If you have a problem with this, or you believe the Biden Administration was a terrorist organization, you need to take this matter up with the US government.

I have to ask, do you not care that you are drawing from entirely propaganda sources? Does it not bother you that the sources you trust are blatantly lying to you? They have you supporting a genocide, and have you doing so by conflating two disparate organizations.

Qatar gives Hamas about $600 million a year right now.

Yes, Qatar provides the exact same humanitarian aid that Biden provided Gaza in 2021. Since Hamas is Gaza's administrators, they need to be involved. I don't know what Qatar is going to do now that Hamas are all dead.

 

[serendipity]

Terrorist groups are not "Wholly-owned subsidiaries" and you have NO PROOF to the contrary! Your personal opinion based on nothing, means exactly that: NOTHING!

Hamas and their military arm, the Al-Qassam brigades, are not controlled by Iran even if Iran finances them to whatever degree.

In 2021 the Palestinian Authority gave Hamas $2.1 billion in aid. Since then the PA continues to fund them. Do they control Hamas?

Qatar gives Hamas about $600 million a year right now. Does Qatar control Hamas?

Your position on this is as absurd as it is insane.

I think he's just taking the piss, only total morons would bollox like him,!!

 

[moon]

Your personal opinion based on nothing, means exactly that: NOTHING!

That's far more valuable than your ' opinion ' which is based upon third-hand lies.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think, you had better look at Islam again.

It worships the same God as Israel does, and like Israel, is stuck in the Old Testament. While Jews have moved on from stoning people and the like, Islam hasn't.

You should also be aware that Mid-East Arab leadership claims Islam, they are really only in it for themselves and their own power base. The Mid-East has been racked with tribal warfare for thousands of years, long before Israel was re-established, often using 'their' version of Islam as an excuse to attack other Muslims.

It only cooled down slightly during the Ottoman empire, because they tended to be somewhat brutal in their enforcement. Even then, the barbarian Arabs there were written off as a bad neighborhood, and avoided.

While some Muslims subscribe to this brutal attitude, most don't.\

Why Democrats support this religion is beyond me. They do not tolerate homosexual behavior. While Democrats hate women, Muslims generally respect them (except for the few that treat them as objects).

I happen to be a Christian, and think that Islam, like Judea, is rather lost. They reject Jesus Christ as the Savior of the World, and because of that, cannot benefit from the comfort and benefits that knowledge provides.

When a Jew becomes Christian, the Jewish community doesn't utterly reject them. They are still welcomed in the Jewish community, and such often continue to celebrate several Jewish holidays, and carry the trappings of Judea with them.

When a Muslim becomes a Christian, it is considered the Ultimate Blasphemy, and they are condemned from the Islamic community (sometimes violently).

Blaming all this on Muhammad? Hmmm. I think that's a stretch. He lived a long time ago, and the religion he started has changed considerably since and been used for all kinds of excuses for violence by people for their own selfish purposes since as well. It's a bit like blaming Jesus Christ for the Inquisition.

The Koran was written by Jews that were captured by the Warlord Muhammad and enslaved. The slaves wrote what they knew, so the Koran copies the Jewish holy books because the slaves that wrote it were Jews.

That doesn't alter the fact that Muhammad was one of the more evil characters in history. Closer to Adolf Hitler than Jesus Christ.

 

[Uncensored2008]

False. This gets to the root of your error. Al Qassam, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad are wholly owned subsidiaries of Iran,

al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. You keep trying to sell the flat out lie that they are not Hamas. No one is buying.

Actions taken by the Russian army invading Ukraine are actions by Russia. We don't separate the military from the government controlling them. al-Qassam IS Hamas.

Yes, the terrorist group Hamas is largely controlled by Iran.

 

[Damocles]

You've been brainwashed, Dave. Let me help. Call me Reverend.

Nobody will ever call you "reverend", sure there is an "r" word that applies, but nowadays saying it is frowned upon.

 

[IBDaMann]

al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas.

Your chanting is legendary.

You keep trying to sell the flat out lie that they are not Hamas.

Not me, and it's not a lie. You just have no clue about the subject matter. Keep chanting.

No one is buying.

You advertise your dishonesty every time you pretend to speak for everyone. You only speak for you and your own refusal to learn.

Actions taken by the Russian army invading Ukraine are actions by Russia.

Russian and Israel are agressors against people who did not attack them. At least Ukraine had the ability to fight back.

We don't separate the military from the government controlling them.

OK, instead of recognizing the IDF as the world's most active terrorist organization, you want to recognize Israel as the world's most active terrorist organization. I say we separate the military from the government controlling them for discussion purposes.

Gazans don't have any military to separate from their public ministers.

al-Qassam IS Hamas.

... just like Iran is Israel.

Yes, the terrorist group Hamas is largely controlled by Iran.

... to the same extent that the terrorist group IDF is also controlled by Iran.

 

[moon]

Nobody will ever call you "reverend",

It's not in my nature to insist. The title is ' Reverend ', incidentally.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your chanting is legendary.

Your lying is pathetic.

Not me, and it's not a lie. You just have no clue about the subject matter. Keep chanting.

Every source, right, left, Muslim, Jewish, agrees that the al-Qassam brigade is the military branch of Hamas.

Yet you persist in telling this absurd and fully debunked lie.

You advertise your dishonesty every time you pretend to speak for everyone. You only speak for you and your own refusal to learn.


Russian and Israel are agressors against people who did not attack them. At least Ukraine had the ability to fight back.

As a holocaust denier you lie that 10/7 didn't happen. But you are merely a holocaust denier lying for Allah.

OK, instead of recognizing the IDF as the world's most active terrorist organization, you want to recognize Israel as the world's most active terrorist organization. I say we separate the military from the government controlling them for discussion purposes.

Gazans don't have any military to separate from their public ministers.


... just like Iran is Israel.


... to the same extent that the terrorist group IDF is also controlled by Iran.

The reason you lie for Allah, is it because you hate Jews?

You claim to be an Atheist and not an active follower of Muhammad and his little dog Allah - but you lie like a Muslim, and have the bigotry of Muslims.

You come from what, Bosnia? Kazakhstan? I know it's in that region. You have been so indoctrinated with radical Islam that even if you don't believe Muhammad is god and worship him and the Djin Allah, you still act as spokesman for the Islamists.

 

[moon]

Another genocidal Khazer heard from ^

 

[Into the Night]

The Koran was written by Jews that were captured by the Warlord Muhammad and enslaved. The slaves wrote what they knew, so the Koran copies the Jewish holy books because the slaves that wrote it were Jews.

That doesn't alter the fact that Muhammad was one of the more evil characters in history. Closer to Adolf Hitler than Jesus Christ.

Muhammad and his companions wrote the Koran. Jews did not write the Koran.

 

[Into the Night]

False. This gets to the root of your error.

You cannot demonstrate an error using paradoxes and fallacies, IBD.

Al Qassam, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad are wholly owned subsidiaries of Iran, not sovereign countries as you so desperately need for your support of genocide to seem plausible. You have not shown how Gaza's administrators somehow controlled Iran's proxies. Until you do, all your arguments, being based on your stupid conflation of Iran's wholly owned subsidiaries with Gaza's administrators, are summarily discarded.

Fallacy fallacies. You are still locked in these paradoxes. Pivot fallacy. There is no Genocide. Mantra 30a. Lame.

Nobody needs to prove that Iran's proxies are somehow controlled by Iran, yet this is your "stall for time" demand.

Fallacy fallacy. Mantra 30a. Lame.

Yours is to prove that Gaza's administrators somehow control Iran's proxies.

He's not attempting such a proof. Pivot fallacy. Mantra 30a.

Obviously you can't because Iran's proxies OBEY Iran,

Not a proxy, IBD.

but the fact that you would double down on something that stupid reveals your true agenda for what it is. You simply want to witness Israel slaughter the Arabs and you will contort the truth as much as it takes.

You are still locked in this paradox.

You first need to show that Gaza's administrators somehow control Iran's proxies before you can claim that Gaza's administrators somehow have a military.

Prosecutor fallacy. No such proof is required.

You have not yet done this, by the way, because you cannot, because Gaza's administrators have no military because they do not control Iran's proxies.

Negative proof fallacy. Denial of history. You are still locked in this paradox.

You still have nothing.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Pivot fallacy. Assumption of victory fallacy.

Stupid claim. Iran formed Al Qassam for the purpose of bolstering the Ayatollah's ability to destroy Israel, and Iran has always funded Al Qassam roughly $100 million annually (more or less, adjusted for inflation). Who do you expect to believe you, outside Team Israel, of course?

Iran did not create Al Qassam or Hamas.

Nope. In 2021, the United States (USAID) delivered $2.1 billion in humanitarian aid specifically to Gaza, aimed at addressing acute humanitarian needs in Gaza, e.g. emergency food assistance, healthcare, water and sanitation services, and shelter for those rendered homeless. If you have a problem with this, or you believe the Biden Administration was a terrorist organization, you need to take this matter up with the US government.

Which went to Hamas and used to fund the war against Israel.

I have to ask, do you not care that you are drawing from entirely propaganda sources? Does it not bother you that the sources you trust are blatantly lying to you? They have you supporting a genocide, and have you doing so by conflating two disparate organizations.

Bulverism fallacy. You are still locked in this paradox. There is no genocide. Fallacy fallacy.

Yes, Qatar provides the exact same humanitarian aid that Biden provided Gaza in 2021. Since Hamas is Gaza's administrators, they need to be involved. I don't know what Qatar is going to do now that Hamas are all dead.

Funding a war is not 'humanitarian'.
You are still locked in this paradox. There is no genocide.

 

[Into the Night]

That's far more valuable than your ' opinion ' which is based upon third-hand lies.

Random words. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

Your chanting is legendary.

Fallacy fallacy. He is not chanting. YOU are. Inversion fallacy.

Not me, and it's not a lie. You just have no clue about the subject matter. Keep chanting.

Fallacy fallacy. Inversion fallacy. Repeition fallacy. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

You advertise your dishonesty every time you pretend to speak for everyone. You only speak for you and your own refusal to learn.

Inversion fallacy. Assumption of victory fallacy.

Russian and Israel are agressors against people who did not attack them.

False equivalence fallacy. Denial of history. You are still locked in this paradox.

At least Ukraine had the ability to fight back.

Pivot fallacy. Irrelevance fallacy.

OK, instead of recognizing the IDF as the world's most active terrorist organization,

Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). Redefinition fallacy.

you want to recognize Israel as the world's most active terrorist organization.

Redefinition fallacy.

I say we separate the military from the government controlling them for discussion purposes.

Irrelevance fallacy.

Gazans don't have any military to separate from their public ministers.

Blatant lie (denial).

... just like Iran is Israel.

Iran is not Israel. Redefinition fallacy. Pivot fallacy.

... to the same extent that the terrorist group IDF is also controlled by Iran.

Blatant lie (synthesis).

 

[Into the Night]

It's not in my nature to insist. The title is ' Reverend ', incidentally.

I'll just call you moonbat.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Muhammad and his companions wrote the Koran. Jews did not write the Koran.

That is not correct.

Muhammad was illiterate.

The Koran was written by Jews captured when Muhammad invaded and overthrew Medina. Muhammad murdered most of the Jews living there, but enslaved those of high value. That includes the Jewish scholars who were forced to write the Koran.

 

[Into the Night]

Israel guilty of genocide.

There is no genocide, Hugo.

 

[Into the Night]

Every damn army has a replacement. They train and organize for things like this. Only in movies does the leader get killed and the army retreats.

Didn't work for Hitler.

 

[Into the Night]

That is not correct.

Muhammad was illiterate.

The Koran was written by Jews captured when Muhammad invaded and overthrew Medina. Muhammad murdered most of the Jews living there, but enslaved those of high value. That includes the Jewish scholars who were forced to write the Koran.

He was literate enough to write the Koran with his companions. The Jews didn't write the Koran.