Hello from Iowa!

PoliTalker said:
Hello and welcome Practical,

I'd like to acquaint you with my Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

If that is agreeable then I hope we have many stirring discussions. If not, then we won't be talking much.



I am liberal. I have no problem mixing it up with you and explaining why your ideas are flawed. Please feel free to attack my ideas, no problem, but if it gets into ad hominems I'll pull the plug. Fair enough?
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What an insufferable jerk THIS one is. Just dreadful.
 
Practical said:
Two sides of the same destructive coin, but Biden has had 47 years in DC and hasn't done much, can't see what 4 more years will accomplish for him aside from getting him in the Hall of Presidents at Disneyland.
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I didn't ask for you to deflect and flail; are you saying neither then?
 
Do folks still equate Libertarians with anarchists? Was a bit of a false equivalency then, can't say it has changed much with age. Here's me:

I believe in God, don't care what you believe, your business and none of mine.
I believe in fiscal conservatism, don't care what you believe, your business and none of mine.
I believe abortion is murder, don't care what you believe, your business and none of mine.
I would never force my beliefs on another at the point of a gun.
I would never force another to give up a liberty, or advocate for the government to do it on my behalf.
I would never advocate for government intervention in any private affair of citizens.
I believe the greatest menace facing this country is our own, unchecked government.
I believe vanilla is the best ice cream, don't care what you believe, your business and none of mine.
I believe that if we were to do business, it should be fair and equitable between both parties.
I believe that people work best when the chains of government regulation are removed from them.
I believe that government should be felt only as the barest of breath on the neck of a citizen, not as the end all be all of every decision we make.
I believe in local, limited, non-oppressive government.
I believe that every citizen should be armed, it encourages politeness.
I believe that we more closely resemble a socialistic country then a representative republic.
I believe that 'ism' is something done TO the people and not FOR the people.
Lastly, I believe that a country will always get the type of government they want, but may not want it once they have it.
 
Hello Practical,

Practical said:
I believe that people work best when the chains of government regulation are removed from them.
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Nice dream but doesn't work in reality. Problem occurs when one of the parties is extremely powerful and greedy. Makes a win/win transaction impossible.

It also does not work for the environment. Selfish greedy powerful people and corporations will not take care of the environment unless forced to by government regulation.

Back in 1776 it didn't matter. Now it does.

Poor people with severely limited resources are desperate job seekers. Ruthless employers count on taking advantage of them. Evangelicals force them to have unwanted children, which makes poverty greater. Lots of people with little means = ripe conditions for pandemic and spread of disease.

Government must grow to meet the needs of the people. It is only logical that as time passes, and new technology appears which must be regulated, and population expands, that government must continue getting larger and larger to accommodate the needs of the nation. This is only logical.

If we don't have a large government and effective regulation, it leads to extreme wealth inequality, which we do not want.

We don't want extreme wealth inequality because that leads to oligarchy, which causes great dissent and leads to revolution and the break-up or end of the nation. When nations go through revolution or break up, the resources of the land are attractive to other nations, which would come in and help themselves, thus destroying all possibility of a better nation emerging from the melt-down.

We must protect our nation by protecting the citizens. We must help Americans achieve the American dream. We must provide healthcare to all as one large group. We must make living in the USA a great experience. We need to help provide as much opportunity as possible for as many people as possible to advance and enjoy a good life. We have more things to regulate than ever, and as time goes by there will naturally be more yet.

The best thing we can do is to work towards eliminating corruption. Big government is not the problem, big money corruption of government is the problem.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Practical,



Nice dream but doesn't work in reality. Problem occurs when one of the parties is extremely powerful and greedy. Makes a win/win transaction impossible.

It also does not work for the environment. Selfish greedy powerful people and corporations will not take care of the environment unless forced to by government regulation.

Back in 1776 it didn't matter. Now it does.

Poor people with severely limited resources are desperate job seekers. Ruthless employers count on taking advantage of them. Evangelicals force them to have unwanted children, which makes poverty greater. Lots of people with little means = ripe conditions for pandemic and spread of disease.

Government must grow to meet the needs of the people. It is only logical that as time passes, and new technology appears which must be regulated, and population expands, that government must continue getting larger and larger to accommodate the needs of the nation. This is only logical.

If we don't have a large government and effective regulation, it leads to extreme wealth inequality, which we do not want.

We don't want extreme wealth inequality because that leads to oligarchy, which causes great dissent and leads to revolution and the break-up or end of the nation. When nations go through revolution or break up, the resources of the land are attractive to other nations, which would come in and help themselves, thus destroying all possibility of a better nation emerging from the melt-down.

We must protect our nation by protecting the citizens. We must help Americans achieve the American dream. We must provide healthcare to all as one large group. We must make living in the USA a great experience. We need to help provide as much opportunity as possible for as many people as possible to advance and enjoy a good life. We have more things to regulate than ever, and as time goes by there will naturally be more yet.

The best thing we can do is to work towards eliminating corruption. Big government is not the problem, big money corruption of government is the problem.
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I personally have a business plan prepped and ready to go when the Libertarians take over. The plan does make some assumptions, but I think they're fair. I assume that government will get out of the way with respect to legislating environmental protections, gun laws, labor laws, and drug laws. That's all I'll need. I'm going Walter White and starting a (completely legal) meth business somewhere in the backwoods of West Virginia, where there will be a steady supply of customers. I'll build my factory without regard to dumping dangerous chemicals, because hey, the government shouldn't get in my way when it comes to that. Production and distribution will be handled mainly by child labor. I'll make sure I arm my dealers with the latest and greatest weaponry for their protection. If I can find a good cook, I figure to keep my production costs very low. Distribution will be a bit more expensive, but I doubt I'll have much competition. It will be nice to have the government out of my hair as I stretch my entrepreneurial wings. What a country!!!
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Practical,



Nice dream but doesn't work in reality. Problem occurs when one of the parties is extremely powerful and greedy. Makes a win/win transaction impossible.

It also does not work for the environment. Selfish greedy powerful people and corporations will not take care of the environment unless forced to by government regulation.

Back in 1776 it didn't matter. Now it does.

Poor people with severely limited resources are desperate job seekers. Ruthless employers count on taking advantage of them. Evangelicals force them to have unwanted children, which makes poverty greater. Lots of people with little means = ripe conditions for pandemic and spread of disease.

Government must grow to meet the needs of the people. It is only logical that as time passes, and new technology appears which must be regulated, and population expands, that government must continue getting larger and larger to accommodate the needs of the nation. This is only logical.

If we don't have a large government and effective regulation, it leads to extreme wealth inequality, which we do not want.

We don't want extreme wealth inequality because that leads to oligarchy, which causes great dissent and leads to revolution and the break-up or end of the nation. When nations go through revolution or break up, the resources of the land are attractive to other nations, which would come in and help themselves, thus destroying all possibility of a better nation emerging from the melt-down.

We must protect our nation by protecting the citizens. We must help Americans achieve the American dream. We must provide healthcare to all as one large group. We must make living in the USA a great experience. We need to help provide as much opportunity as possible for as many people as possible to advance and enjoy a good life. We have more things to regulate than ever, and as time goes by there will naturally be more yet.

The best thing we can do is to work towards eliminating corruption. Big government is not the problem, big money corruption of government is the problem.
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Hiyas Politalker!

Can't say your argument ever really had me, I am sure you know I will disagree with almost every position of that write-up, but you absolutely lost me when you said Big government is not the problem as I absolutely believe that it is. But fortunately for your argument, we do have the big government, and I am sure things will work out fine! Got to admit, it's pretty damn good right now!
 
Concart said:
I personally have a business plan prepped and ready to go when the Libertarians take over. The plan does make some assumptions, but I think they're fair. I assume that government will get out of the way with respect to legislating environmental protections, gun laws, labor laws, and drug laws. That's all I'll need. I'm going Walter White and starting a (completely legal) meth business somewhere in the backwoods of West Virginia, where there will be a steady supply of customers. I'll build my factory without regard to dumping dangerous chemicals, because hey, the government shouldn't get in my way when it comes to that. Production and distribution will be handled mainly by child labor. I'll make sure I arm my dealers with the latest and greatest weaponry for their protection. If I can find a good cook, I figure to keep my production costs very low. Distribution will be a bit more expensive, but I doubt I'll have much competition. It will be nice to have the government out of my hair as I stretch my entrepreneurial wings. What a country!!!
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If Biden is elected, the NONE of the bolded assumptions will be correct. Just the opposite. :palm:

So who will you be voting for this November?
 
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