If Americans only knew

I guess this is as good a place as any to get my feet wet.

I see there are a lot of Bush haters here. They have the same blind hatred that islomofasist have for the west. They just haven't got to the point of blowing themselves up over it....yet.

In six years I have yet to see or hear any plan put forward by the dems for what to do concerning the war with islam, nor anything about iraq except to run away and declare it a loss.

iran is the head of the snake in the middle east. It is partnered with syria as a convenience. They have nothing in common other than their hatred of the west. iran wants to start an armegedon style war to bring back the 12th imam, who will only return (he's hiding) after the world is converted to islam. All that won't convert will be killed. This is the belief of islam. Now not all are out for this mass destructuion that iran wants but they all will support it coming to pass if it seems posible for it to happen. Israel is just the first target and goal of the facists in iran and other areas. They have their sights set on Spain and the rest of europe. There immediate goal is to regain the territory conquored by the Ottomans and re-establish the islamic empire. The US stands in the way of that happening by supporting Israel and standing up to them.

This is going to be a long war which will culminate in a major war with iran and probably syria. iraq was just one front in this war. I don't agree with Bush that we need to establish democracies in the region. It can'tt be done when islam rules everywhere there. A theocracy can never become a democracy and I think Bush is learning that. The libs need to learn that you can't deal with theocracies as those countries don't think on a rational basis. They are fundimentalists. Most are uneducated and illiterate. They rely on what they are told about their religion and do not read for themselves. This was used in the early christian times as well and was how people were and are controlled.

I'm and independent conservative athiest. I prefer using commonsense over particanship and trying to please people by spouting what they want to hear. I don't trust lawyers, judges or politians. I think the democratic party is a thing of the past taken over by Bush hating nut jobs. If all you can talk about is oil, haliburton and the various conspiracy theories concerning Bush then your irrelavent and I won't bother responding to you.

Oh and I support Sir Evil in everything he has said as we usually agree on pretty much everything. Now I have to go finish my profile.
 
Civil unrest and middle east war ALWAYS causes energy prices to rise by the speculators that determine such things...thus oil stocks rise astronomically, thus oil companies ability to manipulate and produce huge profit increases.... I think is what she is saying?
 
In six years I have yet to see or hear any plan put forward by the dems for what to do concerning the war with islam, nor anything about iraq except to run away and declare it a loss.


War with Islam?

Who the fuck is at war with Islam?

you sir are lost
 
The Lords Resistance Army ? Christians ?
WTF ? This is a fanatic of no religion....he acts like an animal because he is animal...religion has little to do with anything he does....hes on a power trip...
to imply that this scum preforms his butchery for religious beliefs is just do much crap....
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The rebels' leader is a religious fanatic called Joseph Kony, who hides out for most of the time in southern Sudan.

Kony manages to combine a heady blend of occultism, born-again Christianity, and most recently, a much-proclaimed conversion to Islam, with his campaign of terror and child abduction.

His avowed aim, publicly much-scoffed at by the Ugandan political and military elites, is nothing short of overthrowing the Ugandan Government. Known as the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), the force of 10,000 recruits is a rag-tag one. It is made up of highly powerful commanders, who roam in the vast, wild bushlands of northern Uganda and southern Sudan, with bands of abducted children, forcing them to take part in brutal raids on their own communities.
 
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In six years I have yet to see or hear any plan put forward by the dems for what to do concerning the war with islam, nor anything about iraq except to run away and declare it a loss.


War with Islam?

Who the fuck is at war with Islam?

you sir are lost

Lost I am not but your head is buried in the sand if you don't see what's going on. We ARE at war with islam. The government and the pcer's don't want to admit that for fear of offending someone. But as i stated above give me a dem plan for dealing with the war. Call the war whatever you want too, Just give me the dem plan for dealing with it.

The only thing I have heard from the dems in 6 years is "I hate Bush". Not a word about how they want to change things by doing anything specific. And I'm still not hearing anything here.
 
In six years I have yet to see or hear any plan put forward by the dems for what to do concerning the war with islam, nor anything about iraq except to run away and declare it a loss.


War with Islam?

Who the fuck is at war with Islam?

you sir are lost

Douche, who on earth are we at war with? The iraqi army? The afghan army?

try reality sometime when ya need a change of pace from your fantasy world!
 
you sir are lost

You sir are a pure idiot just for making that assumption!

Gaffer is a senior, a veteran, a man who has seen plenty! Right away an opposing view is automatically the wrong view to many here, but now with a gent like this can speak true education on subject, not mere opinion work, so it would pay to debate normally, and be somewhat objective and open minded if you really think you know it all.

Sorry Gaf, no harm meant by the senior part but with what I read around here I would have to include myself in the minority as well. :cof1:
 
Thanks SE, no offense taken I am a senior and proud of it. I have seen and done more than any thirty people on here. I am sure we are well outnumbered here but oh well, i have been outnumbered before.

Anyone is welcome to debate me on anything. Just don't do it with talking points. Do it with facts or opinions. I am a combat veteran so don't try to tell me how terrible war is. My nephew is on his third tour in iraq now so i have a stake in it. I personally don't think Bush's iraq plan will succeed because you cannot have a democracy under islam. But the cut and run policy won't work either. personally i would rather we move the troops north and get ready to go into iran. Let the iraq's fight among themselves.
 
Uh oh shitbricks, Im not alone anymore! The odds around here are starting to even up some now...:cof1:

Good to see ya here Gaffer!
 
Holy Fritatas! Welcome to Gaffer. It seems the word is out! Good to see ya over here, man...

More good peoples... :D
 
Holy Fritatas! Welcome to Gaffer. It seems the word is out! Good to see ya over here, man...

More good peoples... :D

Yeah he is, nothing like the fly off the handle abrasive bastard I am, but nonetheless an excellent debater in the political realm as well as a hell of a nice guy!
 
Hi Damocles, good to be here. SE told me you had a good board over here so i thought I would join you and see what stirs up. So far looks interesting. Liberalism is a mental disorder and it appears there's a lot of it showing here.

As usual I have jumped right in. Another place to rant. Since its similar to SE's board its easy to navigate. Just playing catch up on all the posts now.
 
Because we are infidels? They hated us before Gulf War I. They hated us before WWII, WWI, the Revolutionary War. It's not about Israel or oil.


What defines us as "infidels" to them Runyon?

Just us being Christians? Because the Koran encourages them to leave be Christians and Jews, not to fight with them over religion....?

Or does the Porn and free sex and abortions and greed and arrogance and our lack of respect for God make us infidels to them?

Or is it that they just don't agree with the government of the usa and their foreign policies that involve them, therefore we are all infidels?

care
 
Now most importantly, give modern examples of Christians using violence for conversion,.

A brief look through the C19th demonstrates this clearly....
 
What defines us as "infidels" to them Runyon?

Just us being Christians? Because the Koran encourages them to leave be Christians and Jews, not to fight with them over religion....?

Or does the Porn and free sex and abortions and greed and arrogance and our lack of respect for God make us infidels to them?

Or is it that they just don't agree with the government of the usa and their foreign policies that involve them, therefore we are all infidels?

care

An infidel is anyone that does not believe and follow their laws. And the koran does call for the killing or subjigating of all infidels. Christians and Jews are to be tolerated until they can be conquored. Hindus, Buddists and other religions are considered pagans and are to be wiped out immediately. The Judo-christians were considered to large and powerful to take out at one time.
 
What defines us as "infidels" to them Runyon?

Just us being Christians? Because the Koran encourages them to leave be Christians and Jews, not to fight with them over religion....?

Or does the Porn and free sex and abortions and greed and arrogance and our lack of respect for God make us infidels to them?

Or is it that they just don't agree with the government of the usa and their foreign policies that involve them, therefore we are all infidels?

care

Read with critical eye:

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/juancole.htm
 
Indeed. Are you seriously going to try to contend that Christianity is somehow less conducive to violence and barbarity than Islam? This should be entertaining.

Actually I was saying I'll take a pass, which was not clear I agree.

In any case, would you like to explain how Christianity is as conducive today, to the violence and barbarity of Islam, today?
 
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