In Key Testimony, Cohen Says Trump Promised to Reimburse Hush-Money Payment

[Walt]

Hush money is legal. No fraud.

Hush money might be legal, but claiming a political expense as a business expense is illegal. Even if you believe the hush money was a personal expense, instead of a political expense, it still is not a business expense.

trump got greedy, and tried to use his hush money as a business expense.

 

[Walt]

The trial is not about any crime.

By definition, a criminal trial is about whether trump committed a crime or not.

 

[Hawkeye10]

By definition, a criminal trial is about whether trump committed a crime or not.

That was Old America...the one that was murdered.

This is about getting Trump because he causes too many problems for the Regime.

 

[Grokmaster]

Michael D. Cohen, the one-time fixer for Donald J. Trump and the star witness at his criminal trial, described for jurors the “catastrophic” threat Stormy Daniels’s account of a sexual liaison with Mr. Trump posed to his campaign, and his boss’s instruction to pay her to make it go away: “Just do it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

Still not a crime.

 

[Grokmaster]

By definition, a criminal trial is about whether trump committed a crime or not.

There has been no crime shown. It is a Stalinist " create-a-crime" farce.

 

[Walt]

There has been no crime shown. It is a Stalinist " create-a-crime" farce.

Falsifying business records is a crime. That has been proven beyond any doubt. The money was spent on hush money, not on legal fees.

The only real question is whether the crime was a felony, or a misdemeanor, and whether trump definitely committed it, or just almost certainly committed it. If the falsifying of business records was not in furtherance of another crime, it is "only" a misdemeanor. We all know trump authorized the hush money, but his lawyers are claiming there might be a tiny bit of reasonable doubt.

So the alt right defense is that trump is guilty of a more minor crime, based on a technicality, and that while he is almost certainly guilty, maybe that is not enough certainty.

 

[Grokmaster]

Falsifying business records is a crime. That has been proven beyond any doubt. The money was spent on hush money, not on legal fees.

The only real question is whether the crime was a felony, or a misdemeanor, and whether trump definitely committed it, or just almost certainly committed it. If the falsifying of business records was not in furtherance of another crime, it is "only" a misdemeanor. We all know trump authorized the hush money, but his lawyers are claiming there might be a tiny bit of reasonable doubt.

So the alt right defense is that trump is guilty of a more minor crime, based on a technicality, and that while he is almost certainly guilty, maybe that is not enough certainty.

Horse shit. Nothing has been proven falsified, and the statute of limitations expired years ago on such misdemeanors.

Hush money is not a crime.


Bragg made up an "underlying crime" he has not shown, or even named to try to make the records a "felony"


The entire case is an outrageous, illegal SCAM.

 

[Walt]

Nothing has been proven falsified

It was recorded as a business legal expense, when it really was a political hush money. That is called falsifying business records. Everyone pretty much agrees it happened.

 

[Into the Night]

Hush money might be legal, but claiming a political expense as a business expense is illegal.

Not illegal.

Even if you believe the hush money was a personal expense, instead of a political expense, it still is not a business expense.

trump got greedy, and tried to use his hush money as a business expense.

No crime.

 

[Into the Night]

By definition, a criminal trial is about whether trump committed a crime or not.

No crime. You idiots haven't listed any crime yet!

 

[Into the Night]

Falsifying business records is a crime.

What 'falsification'??

That has been proven beyond any doubt.

Attempted proof by void.

The money was spent on hush money, not on legal fees.

No illegal.

The only real question is whether the crime was a felony, or a misdemeanor, and whether trump definitely committed it, or just almost certainly committed it.

No crime.

If the falsifying of business records

What falsification??

was not in furtherance of another crime, it is "only" a misdemeanor. We all know trump authorized the hush money, but his lawyers are claiming there might be a tiny bit of reasonable doubt.

No crime.

So the alt right defense is that trump is guilty of a more minor crime, based on a technicality, and that while he is almost certainly guilty, maybe that is not enough certainty.

No crime. Attempted proof by hate.

 

[Into the Night]

It was recorded as a business legal expense, when it really was a political hush money.

So? No crime.

That is called falsifying business records.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Attempted proof by void.

Everyone pretty much agrees it happened.

You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Walt]

So? No crime.

Falsifying business records is a crime. We are just trying to work out how bad of a crime now.

 

[Walt]

What 'falsification'??

trump claimed that hush money was actually legal fees.

 

[Walt]

No crime. You idiots haven't listed any crime yet!

Falsifying business records is a crime. If there is another crime served by falsification, then it becomes a felony.

 

[Into the Night]

Hush money might be legal, but claiming a political expense as a business expense is illegal. Even if you believe the hush money was a personal expense, instead of a political expense, it still is not a business expense.

trump got greedy, and tried to use his hush money as a business expense.

Not a crime.

 

[Into the Night]

By definition, a criminal trial is about whether trump committed a crime or not.

No crime specified.

 

[Into the Night]

Falsifying business records is a crime. That has been proven beyond any doubt. The money was spent on hush money, not on legal fees.

The only real question is whether the crime was a felony, or a misdemeanor, and whether trump definitely committed it, or just almost certainly committed it. If the falsifying of business records was not in furtherance of another crime, it is "only" a misdemeanor. We all know trump authorized the hush money, but his lawyers are claiming there might be a tiny bit of reasonable doubt.

So the alt right defense is that trump is guilty of a more minor crime, based on a technicality, and that while he is almost certainly guilty, maybe that is not enough certainty.

How are the business records falsified?

 

[Into the Night]

Falsifying business records is a crime. We are just trying to work out how bad of a crime now.

You haven't yet explained how business records were falsified.

 

[Into the Night]

trump claimed that hush money was actually legal fees.

They were paid to Cohen, a lawyer. Try again.
Oh, BTW, Cohen STOLE part of that money, then LIED about it in open court under oath (perjury, a crime!).