Is Christian culture compatabel with Western Culture....

Christianity brought the Dark Ages to Europe, a period when scientific endeavor was abandoned and learning of all kinds was rooted out and destroyed.

With the exception of military technology, the Church was to oppose advances in virtually every scientific discipline for many hundreds of years.

Philosophers were persecuted and their books burned.

Such was the persecution that men of learning were driven to destroy their own libraries rather than risk a volume being seen by a Christian informer. Efforts were made to destroy evidence of Greek successes.

We can never know how much was lost forever. Some Greek learning was preserved because Christian heretics, notably Nestorians, took it east with them when they fled the wrath of the Church. These refugees flourished under Zoroastrian and Muslim rulers in centers like Damascus, Cairo, Baghdad and Gondeshapur in Persia. There they translated surviving works into Syriac, Hebrew and Arabic.



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PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....nice dodge...doesn't change the fact you were wrong, but it does show you're quick on your feet......
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That is really American! You make a mistake of three centuries, talk a lot of unsupported nonsense and tell me I was wrong. I'll put you on ignore for a while: you are too silly to be worth talking to.
 
Having produced no distinctive philosophy of its own, the early Church had adopted the philosophical ideas of Plato. For centuries Plato was honored as a sort of quasi-Christian.

Among the works brought back from the East were the writings of his pupil Aristotle. Aristotle appealed to medieval Christians even more than Plato, but some of his ideas seemed incompatible with theirs. Thomas Aquinas attempted to reconcile Aristotelian thought with Christianity, and for a while it was accepted that he had succeeded. Aristotle was now credited with almost divine authority, and it became as difficult to overturn his ideas as it was biblical ones.

Time after time the Church would seek to suppress scientific discoveries by reference either to the Bible or to Aristotle.

Ignatius Loyola summed up the traditional Christian view when he said “We sacrifice the intellect to God” and Martin Luther was even more direct in expressing the view that “Reason is the Devil's harlot”.

At the end of the seventeenth century churchmen — even Anglican churchmen — were still claiming that the Christian religion was the only real source of knowledge , and the Bible was still regarded an infallible and comprehensive encyclopedia. It provided information on the origins, history and nature of the Universe, Earth, animals and mankind.

How such ideas came to be abandoned by most Christians is the history of Western science.



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Legion Troll said:
Ignatius Loyola summed up the traditional Christian view when he said “We sacrifice the intellect to God” and Martin Luther was even more direct in expressing the view that “Reason is the Devil's harlot”.
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Evangelicals and fundamentalists today still go there.

Pastor Pimp puts magic above reason.
 
Imagine if you will, a thread, conceived in retardation, and executed shoddily. A token, a signifier, a symbol of eternal brainfart found only in .... The Jarod Zone.
 
For religious reasons it was necessary for Christians to place Earth at the center of all creation.

God had created the Universe for humans, so it was natural that he should build it around them.

Accepted Church doctrine in early times was that our world was flat and circular, and sat immobile at the center of the cosmos.

The vault of the sky was a solid structure, a huge dome rather like a gigantic planetarium. Stars were physically moved around its inner surface by angels.

Anyone adventurous and blasphemous enough could conceivably break through the firmament at the edge of the world into the hidden heavenly realms beyond.

Within the dome theologians imagined a number of concentric hemispheres separating a series of holy regions - the seven heavens.

Churchmen knew exactly where the center of their circumscribed world was. It was Jerusalem, as medieval maps confirm. Indeed the precise spot within Jerusalem could be identified, for it was where Jesus had been crucified. It is supposedly located in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. The site of the crucifixion thus marked the radial center of of a disc, below the hemispherical firmament — the exact center of the Universe.

Anyone who queried church teachings, or even carried out proto-scientific investigations was liable to severe penalties, especially once the Inquisition had been created to root out heresy. Often we do not know the supposed nature of the heresy - in at least some cases it might have been revealing that the earth is not flat. All we know for certain is that proto-scientists were tried and convicted for the crime of heresy - i.e. the crime of disagreeing with the Church.


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PostmodernMidevilGoon said:
sure....the bubonic plague had nothing to do with it......
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If Christians spent more time figuring out what caused the spread of the disease instead of praying to imagined beings and subjecting themselves to the whims of "holey men", much of the death and backwardness could have been avoided.
So no. Christianity was solely responsible for the Dark Ages.
Without religion mankind could have gone to the moon and cured diseases,easily 200 to 400 years earlier.
Nothing has held us back more than magical thinking.
Nothing.
 
Leonthecat said:
If Christians spent more time figuring out what caused the spread of the disease instead of praying to imagined beings, much of the death and backwardness could have been avoided.
So no. Christianity was solely responsible for the Dark Ages.
Without religion mankind could have gone to the moon easily 200 years earlier.
Nothing has held us back more than magical thinking.
Nothing.
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if ignorance is the cause, doesn't the blame fall on your head?.....
 
In the sixth century BC, Thales of Miletus learned from the Babylonians how to predict the motion of heavenly bodies. He was able to anticipate a solar eclipse in 585 BC.

Anaxagoras of Clazomenœ, who was born around 500 BC, held the Sun to be an incandescent mass of hot stone — as near to the truth as he could have got. He also said that the Moon shone merely because of the Sun's reflected light, as indeed it does.

Pythagoras seems to have speculated in the sixth century BC that Earth went round the Sun, not the Sun round Earth. Aristotle mentions Pythagoreans who regarded Earth as a planet — a heavenly body circling around the Sun, the central fire that created night and day.

Towards the middle of the third century BC, Aristarchus of Samos further developed the Pythagorean theory that Earth was in motion about the Sun.

Other philosophers wondered why, if the Pythagorean theory were right, the fixed stars did not appear to change position as Earth moved. But Aristarchus had an explanation for this absence of parallax. He pointed out that it could be accounted for by the vast distances to the fixed stars, a theory that was to be vindicated in the nineteenth century.

Ancient Greeks had written about people living on the other side of the world, in an unknown land, the antipodes.

In the eighth century, Vergilius of Salzburg revived the idea that the earth was spherical and on the other side of the earth people might be found living in the Antipodes. Saint Boniface condemned the idea as "iniquitous and perverse" and "contrary to the scriptures".

The then Pope, Zozimus, regarded the idea as heretical, but as this heresy occurred before the founding of the Inquisition, Vergilius suffered no long term problems for voicing his opinion because of lack of evidence - if evidence had been available the Pope would have authorized a council to try and punish him.



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The ancient Pythagorean view was revived by Nicolaus Copernicus early in the sixteenth century, over 2,000 years after it had first been put forward.

Copernicus did not dare to publish his ideas on the matter, because the Church was certain that Earth lay at the center of everything. He kept his book, De Revolutionibus Orbium Cœlestium, secret for 36 years. It was published only after his death.

The Inquisition would later condemn his cosmology as "that false Pythagorean doctrine utterly contrary to the Holy Scriptures". Their scriptural proof-text included Ecclesiastes 1:5, which talks about the Sun rising and setting, and Psalm 104:5 which says that Earth can never be moved.

The Church knew beyond all doubt that the Sun rotated about Earth because they thought God had made it stand still in the sky (Joshua 10:12-13). According to the Church it was not possible to believe in the Pythagorean/Copernican system and still remain a Christian.

Even Martin Luther agreed that this cosmology was incompatible with Christian faith.


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Legion Troll said:
The ancient Pythagorean view was revived by Nicolaus Copernicus early in the sixteenth century, over 2,000 years after it had first been put forward.

Copernicus did not dare to publish his ideas on the matter, because the Church was certain that Earth lay at the center of everything. He kept his book, De Revolutionibus Orbium Cœlestium, secret for 36 years. It was published only after his death.

The Inquisition would later condemn his cosmology as "that false Pythagorean doctrine utterly contrary to the Holy Scriptures". Their scriptural proof-text included Ecclesiastes 1:5, which talks about the Sun rising and setting, and Psalm 104:5 which says that Earth can never be moved.

The Church knew beyond all doubt that the Sun rotated about Earth because they thought God had made it stand still in the sky (Joshua 10:12-13). According to the Church it was not possible to believe in the Pythagorean/Copernican system and still remain a Christian.

Even Martin Luther agreed that this cosmology was incompatible with Christian faith.


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CHRISTIAN MAGICAL THINKING.​
 
Leonthecat said:
If Christians spent more time figuring out what caused the spread of the disease instead of praying to imagined beings and subjecting themselves to the whims of "holey men", much of the death and backwardness could have been avoided.
So no. Christianity was solely responsible for the Dark Ages.
Without religion mankind could have gone to the moon and cured diseases,easily 200 to 400 years earlier.
Nothing has held us back more than magical thinking.
Nothing.
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Wow lol.

Ever hear of Louis Pastuer?
 
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