Is gun control constitutional? Is it racist? Is it even possible?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
danielpalos said:
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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Doesn't work that way.

The right of self defense is inherent. It is inherent for a State. It forms militias to do that. It is inherent for the individual. The people have the right to own and bear arms. ANY kind of arm, meaning ANY kind of weapon.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This amendment discusses two rights, both inherent, and both similar. It discusses the rights of States, and it discusses the right of the people. BOTH have an inherent right to self defense.
The type of weapon is NOT specified. There is no mention of weapon by type, action, length of barrel, caliber, range, rate of fire, ease of use, brand, color, or how 'scary' it looks.

Similarly, the right of a State to organize a militia is not restricted. They can be armed with anything the State sees fit to arm them with.

A State has the right of self defense.
An individual has the right of self defense.

These rights are inherent. They do not come from a piece of paper. They do not come from the second amendment. The second amendment specifically directs the federal and State governments to not interfere with this right.

Self defense INCLUDES self defense from a rogue government.
 
In the end, gun control is not possible.

The right of self defense is inherent. People will simply make their own guns and other weapons. Black markets will form. No government can stop this.

Want to see how successful the government is at killing the free market? Look no further than your local drug dealer.
 
Into the Night said:
This fellow made some strong arguments, but he is still a law abiding citizen if he does not conform to an unconstitutional law. It is the Congress or legislature that passed such a 'law' that has broken the law.
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Good point. It's my understanding that the first speaker was addressing a municipal council that was considering implementing some additional, local form of "gun control", in addition to existing (and unconstitutional, IMO) state and federal statutes, rules, and policies. The video is inaccurately titled, because the address to Congress is much later in the video and is made by a woman.
 
Legion said:
Good point. It's my understanding that the first speaker was addressing a municipal council that was considering implementing some additional, local form of "gun control", in addition to existing (and unconstitutional, IMO) state and federal statutes, rules, and policies. The video is inaccurately titled, because the address to Congress is much later in the video and is made by a woman.
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It is the first speaker I am referring to.
The 2nd speaker (the women) didn't make as strong an argument. She needlessly went into statistics of questionable sources. She had the right idea, but went about demonstrating it the wrong way.
 
Into the Night said:
Doesn't work that way.

The right of self defense is inherent. It is inherent for a State. It forms militias to do that. It is inherent for the individual. The people have the right to own and bear arms. ANY kind of arm, meaning ANY kind of weapon.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This amendment discusses two rights, both inherent, and both similar. It discusses the rights of States, and it discusses the right of the people. BOTH have an inherent right to self defense.
The type of weapon is NOT specified. There is no mention of weapon by type, action, length of barrel, caliber, range, rate of fire, ease of use, brand, color, or how 'scary' it looks.

Similarly, the right of a State to organize a militia is not restricted. They can be armed with anything the State sees fit to arm them with.

A State has the right of self defense.
An individual has the right of self defense.

These rights are inherent. They do not come from a piece of paper. They do not come from the second amendment. The second amendment specifically directs the federal and State governments to not interfere with this right.

Self defense INCLUDES self defense from a rogue government.
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dude, i quoted a State Constitution. The Law is the Law. Are you alleging the Law doesn't work that way? Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
 
Into the Night said:
In the end, gun control is not possible.

The right of self defense is inherent. People will simply make their own guns and other weapons. Black markets will form. No government can stop this.

Want to see how successful the government is at killing the free market? Look no further than your local drug dealer.
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We already know the unorganized militia is useless to the security of our free States.


That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
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danielpalos said:
dude, i quoted a State Constitution. The Law is the Law. Are you alleging the Law doesn't work that way? Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
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You didn't quote a State Constitution until now.
 
danielpalos said:
lol. It says so in our Second Amendment.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

No, it doesn't. It does, however, point out how a State can defend itself and maintain it's security.
 
Into the Night said:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

No, it doesn't. It does, however, point out how a State can defend itself and maintain it's security.
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Our Second Amendment is clear. The End:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Justifies the Means:
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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