Isn't it nice

not that I condon = No offense
which is allways followed by offense
Minority, your bitterness over being laid off from your job as head buggywhip inspect is pittifull.
 
theMAJORITY said:
But it could not come back if it did not work better in those areas where it is coming back. You can't disagree with that logic---I hope.
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Threatening to take away our health care is an tradtional election scare tactic. Claiming that voting for so and so conservative will equate to American health care 'and my fellow Candians, do you want that.......?" (followed by no's, boos and hisses at whatever Liberal or NDP rally in the middle of nowhere Saskatchewan......who, incidentily gets the short end of the social health care stick).

And no, private care isn't making a come back. We don't have a choice where it appears to be 'coming back'. Why is this you ask? Because it works better! Can't argue with that logic, eh? Wrong. It's even simpler than what you thought! The answer is......... are you ready for this......'areas that are now allowed to be covered under private insurance are now considered non-essential services by the provincial government and, therefore, no longer covered by provincial plans ie eye exams, physicals and visitis to the dermatologist (cover and non-covered services vary province to province, but I think you get the point). You see, taking more and giving less is just as popular as ever. :)
 
Topspin said:
not that I condon = No offense
which is allways followed by offense
Minority, your bitterness over being laid off from your job as head buggywhip inspect is pittifull.
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One more time liberial--I am self employeed and make more money than I ever did in my life. I quit my job (so somebody else can have it) because my business is booming. I am truly looking out for people. I am fine.
 
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Threatening to take away our health care is an tradtional election scare tactic. Claiming that voting for so and so conservative will equate to American health care 'and my fellow Candians, do you want that.......?" (followed by no's, boos and hisses at whatever Liberal or NDP rally in the middle of nowhere Saskatchewan......who, incidentily gets the short end of the social health care stick).

And no, private care isn't making a come back. We don't have a choice where it appears to be 'coming back'. Why is this you ask? Because it works better! Can't argue with that logic, eh? Wrong. It's even simpler than what you thought! The answer is......... are you ready for this......'areas that are now allowed to be covered under private insurance are now considered non-essential services by the provincial government and, therefore, no longer covered by provincial plans ie eye exams, physicals and visitis to the dermatologist (cover and non-covered services vary province to province, but I think you get the point). You see, taking more and giving less is just as popular as ever. :)
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That is a start---lets how it goes 20 years from now.

Is it going to get worse before it gets better--if it does?
 
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theMAJORITY said:
That is a start---lets how it goes 20 years from now.

Is it going to get worse before it gets better--if it does?
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Nationalization got really popular between the 30's and 60's. Most countries that went to government healthcare before then have a combination private-public system. Most nations that went into public healthcare in the 30's and 60's had nationalized healthcare. Nationalized healthcare is certainly cheap, but it isn't very good in quality.

I don't think any nation ever took the private-public partnership as a "stepping stone" to complete nationalization. At best it even took the pressure off of the issue and prevented nationalization.
 
Said1 said:
Threatening to take away our health care is an tradtional election scare tactic. Claiming that voting for so and so conservative will equate to American health care 'and my fellow Candians, do you want that.......?" (followed by no's, boos and hisses at whatever Liberal or NDP rally in the middle of nowhere Saskatchewan......who, incidentily gets the short end of the social health care stick).

And no, private care isn't making a come back. We don't have a choice where it appears to be 'coming back'. Why is this you ask? Because it works better! Can't argue with that logic, eh? Wrong. It's even simpler than what you thought! The answer is......... are you ready for this......'areas that are now allowed to be covered under private insurance are now considered non-essential services by the provincial government and, therefore, no longer covered by provincial plans ie eye exams, physicals and visitis to the dermatologist (cover and non-covered services vary province to province, but I think you get the point). You see, taking more and giving less is just as popular as ever. :)
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Well do you want American style healthcare?

I assure you you don't. I'd rather have to get on a waiting list than spend goddamn 15% of my income on healthcare.
 
theMAJORITY said:
That is a start---lets how it goes 20 years from now.

Is it going to get worse before it gets better--if it does?
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It's not a start because we are paying more for less. A start would be a tax reduction OR better existing services for that which is still covered under provincial plans.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. City facilities can't keep up with demands created by inter-provincial migration, as it is. Once they are able to cope, the boom is over, hospitals close and the same process is repeated elsewhere.

Quebec has been breaking the rules in certain areas, namely MRI's.
 
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It's not a start because we are paying more for less. A start would be a tax reduction OR better existing services for that which is still covered under provincial plans.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. City facilities can't keep up with demands created by inter-provincial migration, as it is. Once they are able to cope, the boom is over, hospitals close and the same process is repeated elsewhere.

Quebec has been breaking the rules in certain areas, namely MRI's.
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Thanks for the correction.
 
Watermark said:
Well do you want American style healthcare?

I assure you you don't. I'd rather have to get on a waiting list than spend goddamn 15% of my income on healthcare.
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I've never had any bad experiences with healthcare in Canada, but many have. I've also heard nothing but horror stories about your system, but that's what our media reports. They also put a large spin on what they report about services in Canada.

Socialized healthcare really is a cultural thing. I'm 34 and have never experienced any other system. I can't imagine doing i any other way. As dissatisfied as many Canadians are, I know I'm not alone in my opinion........I get sick, I go to the doctor. The secretary asks for my health card, swipes it, then tells me to take a seat. If I have to go to the ER, I might wait 1 hour or 4 or not at all. If I need a new hip, I might want to invest in one of those cool electric scooters and find a good connection for oxycodine.....or whatever it is.
 
theMAJORITY said:
Man--the whole thing is so clear to me--and you. But I am sure we are all missing details.

You know the facts---I can excite people---lets do it. :)

This is what liberials are scared of----pissed off individuals with the facts who can excite people. I know I can get theMAJORITY population motavated with the right tools. Pretty sure anyway. :) Clinton does not have as much charisma as I do, and my $12 hair cut looks better than his. Charisma with facts that excite the majority and better hair can not be beat.

When librials are backed into a corner like this--they break out their intelligence card taught from commie colleges--thinking there is a corolation between the mastery of a launguage and intelligence with the capability of critical thinking. it is funny shit to me---and very easy to expose. The masses will agree. :) With the public---I can bury the socialistic movement. Then--200 years later--somebody else will have to do it again if we want to be free. Socialism gives power to the people that have the most power. That is against the heart and soul of theMAJORITY (actually every human being) of the people.
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Nice energy bro!

Just keep debunking all the globalist lies everyone has been programmed with.
 
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I've never had any bad experiences with healthcare in Canada, but many have. I've also heard nothing but horror stories about your system, but that's what our media reports. They also put a large spin on what they report about services in Canada.

Socialized healthcare really is a cultural thing. I'm 34 and have never experienced any other system. I can't imagine doing i any other way. As dissatisfied as many Canadians are, I know I'm not alone in my opinion........I get sick, I go to the doctor. The secretary asks for my health card, swipes it, then tells me to take a seat. If I have to go to the ER, I might wait 1 hour or 4 or not at all. If I need a new hip, I might want to invest in one of those cool electric scooters and find a good connection for oxycodine.....or whatever it is.
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Can I ask some personal questions about your income--and how much you get taxed from your income to support the Canada health care? Lets say your a single guy with no kids, and you make 50 grand a year--how much in percentage comes out of your check---total--for living in Canada (knowing the itemized cost for the health care would be cool to add--if you know that)? We have the fattest government in the world, and I am sure it will cost us more than it costs you. What I fear here is employeers will no longer provide health insurance to their employees (most employeers here provide health care at about 1/5th the cost to the employee--for their whole family), and those employees will be stuck with higher taxes (I bet it has to be at least 10% more our of their check). Most of those people are living from pay check to pay check--with debt--and they will lose their homes also--adding to the down ward sprial we are in now. That is my prediction anyway. With olur government--I think the burdon on the tax payer will be overwhelming---espically in a rocky economy. Of course--nobody would want their government to take care of their health care in a good economy with a stream lined private sector. lawsuits, and abuse seem to have gone nuts here. That and other things I am sure I am not aware of mustr drive up our cost a lot. This was not really a issue a sort 20 or so years ago in the USA.

If you have good health insurance---we get some of the best health care in the world.
 
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Thanks---but I am running mostly on intuition--you seem to have all the prudent facts. I have the wisdom--I need your knowlwdge.
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Start at the monetary system. that's the lynchpin in the whole control grid.

Read all the essays on fiat currency and fractional reserve lending and the fundamental sham/statist-totalitarian power it is.
 
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Can I ask some personal questions about your income--and how much you get taxed from your income to support the Canada health care? Lets say your a single guy with no kids, and you make 50 grand a year--how much in percentage comes out of your check---total--for living in Canada (knowing the itemized cost for the health care would be cool to add--if you know that)? We have the fattest government in the world, and I am sure it will cost us more than it costs you. What I fear here is employeers will no longer provide health insurance to their employees (most employeers here provide health care at about 1/5th the cost to the employee--for their whole family), and those employees will be stuck with higher taxes (I bet it has to be at least 10% more our of their check). Most of those people are living from pay check to pay check--with debt--and they will lose their homes also--adding to the down ward sprial we are in now. That is my prediction anyway. With olur government--I think the burdon on the tax payer will be overwhelming---espically in a rocky economy. Of course--nobody would want their government to take care of their health care in a good economy with a stream lined private sector. lawsuits, and abuse seem to have gone nuts here. That and other things I am sure I am not aware of mustr drive up our cost a lot. This was not really a issue a sort 20 or so years ago in the USA.

If you have good health insurance---we get some of the best health care in the world.
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Regarding your questions about Canadian healthcare, I would suggest some research. It's a little more complicated than a certain amount of my income going to healthcare. In fact, the idea of explaining the concept gives me a headache. Then you have provincial transfer and equalization payments for healthcare etc, etc. It's giant bouncing ball. Here's a good site to get you started: http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/ Enjoy!
 
Well---just give me a ball park total out of a averagfe working mans pay check making 50 grand a year with no child write offs. Is it 50% of his check--60% of his check coming out for social programs and taxes. With national health care--I will most likely pay over 50% of my check to the government, unless I change some things--and i still might pay over half.

Now---for the fundimental question from the person of freedom is---if you pay more than half of your income or earnings to a government---who are you really working for--yourelf, or a government?

Question # 2 from a free persons percpective. If your citizrens are only able to pay for necessities because most of their disposable income is taken from them for a socialist society--how is that different when the black slaves of the south, before the civil war in the USA,--had food, shelter, clothing, and yes--health care provided for them (a healthy slave is a productive slave--they had health care paid for by the products the owners sold---not taxes).

Slavery is slavery--and is alive and well all over the world.
 
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Regarding your questions about Canadian healthcare, I would suggest some research. It's a little more complicated than a certain amount of my income going to healthcare. In fact, the idea of explaining the concept gives me a headache. Then you have provincial transfer and equalization payments for healthcare etc, etc. It's giant bouncing ball. Here's a good site to get you started: http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/ Enjoy!
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One trend I have noticed with any government I can think of. If they want to pull the wool over the publics eyes---they make things very complicated so they can dodge bullets---like our IRS code book and our voting system.
 
theMAJORITY said:
Well---just give me a ball park total out of a averagfe working mans pay check making 50 grand a year with no child write offs. Is it 50% of his check--60% of his check coming out for social programs and taxes. With national health care--I will most likely pay over 50% of my check to the government, unless I change some things--and i still might pay over half.

Now---for the fundimental question from the person of freedom is---if you pay more than half of your income or earnings to a government---who are you really working for--yourelf, or a government?
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I honestly have no idea what percentage an average single man making 50k would contribute to healthcare alone, through taxes on his income. There are federal and provincial taxes plus Canada pension and old age pension. I would guess roughly 30% - give or take, is deducted for all combined taxes and pension funds.

And tto your second comment.......if you're paying for something, a service or product should be provided. If this isn't the case, shouldn't we be able to go elsewhere AND pay the government less since they aren't provding us with that service any longer?
 
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