It's Not Your Father's Republican Party Anymore?!!

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Dwight D. What the hell have they done to my Party?! Eisenhower
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So, what say you :
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Not your father's Republican party


Today's Republican party seems to have one motivation - win. It doesn't matter who they have to scare, what misinformation they have to spread, or what formerly held ideas they have to abandon to make this happen. They just want to win seats and then stack the deck so that they can win more seats in the future.

This is a massive shift away from the Republican party of old. Consider some of the ideas that are being challenged by today's Republican legislators.
Today - Wisconsin Gov. Republican Scott Walker, with the help of the Republican controlled Congress, has taken on unions and eliminated their collective bargaining rights.

In the Past - Ronald Reagan was the President of the Screen Actors Guild and had this to say about unions:
"Collective bargaining in the years since has played a major role in America's economic miracle. Unions represent some of the freest institutions in this land. There are few finer examples of participatory democracy to be found anywhere. Too often, discussion about the labor movement concentrates on disputes, corruption, and strikes. But while these things are headlines, there are thousands of good agreements reached and put into practice every year without a hitch."

Today - Republicans say the rich are taxed too much and that increasing taxes will hurt job creation.

In the Past - John McCain made the following statements long before he twice voted against the Bush tax cuts:
"I don't think the governor's tax cut is too big - it's just misplaced. Sixty percent of the benefits from his tax cuts go to the wealthiest 10% of Americans - and that's not the kind of tax relief that Americans need. ... Gov. Bush wants to spend the entire surplus on tax cuts. I don't believe the wealthiest 10% of Americans should get 60% of the tax breaks. I think the lowest 10% should get the breaks. ...
"I'm not giving tax cuts for the rich."

Today - Republican legislators insist that tax cuts will lead to the new jobs and economic growth that the U.S. so desperately needs right now.

In the Past - William Gale of the Brookings Institution and former economic adviser to George H.W. Bush stated:
Last June, President George W. Bush signed the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA). This policy brief provides an assessment of the tax cut. Our findings suggest that EGTRRA will reduce the size of the future economy, raise interest rates, make taxes more regressive, increase tax complexity, and prove fiscally unsustainable. These conclusions question the wisdom and affordability of the tax cut and suggest that Congress reconsider the legislation, especially in light of the economic downturn and terrorist attacks that have occurred since last summer.

And he says there's no evidence tax cuts do much to affect economic growth.

Today - Republican legislators have turned against the very fiscal policies that they supported in the past.
In the Past - As David Frum, former economic speechwriter for George W. Bush explains:

It used to be that the dividing line was clear.

Liberals favored active government measures: government spending to fight recessions, tax increases to curtail inflation.
Conservatives by contrast preferred monetary instruments: raise interest rates to stop inflation, loosen money during recessions. ....
Instead, many conservatives have changed their minds. They have turned against quantitative easing. They call for tighter money -- not to battle inflation (there isn't any) but they think the value of the dollar is best measured against the price of some selection of commodities, especially gold, silver and oil. ....
Yet there are only two policy levers, fiscal and monetary, and if you refuse to pull either, you are condemned to do nothing except wait for the economy to improve on its own.

That's left some of us a little isolated. More importantly, it has left conservatives with little useful to say about the greatest economic challenges of our time.
Today - The individual mandate is unconstitutional and proof of the socialist agenda from the left.

In the Past - The individual mandate was the brain child of the conservative Heritage Foundation (as evidenced in their quote below) and supported by many Republican legislators including Newt Gingrich.

"[N]either the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement..."

Today - Some Republican Legislators say Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that should be eliminated.

In the Past - Long time conservative columnist Charles Krauthhammer recently said:
"Of course it's a Ponzi scheme. So what? It's also the most vital, humane and fixable of all social programs."
Today - Republicans say tax cuts pay for themselves.



In the Past - Bruce Bartlett, who worked for both Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush said:
"The truth is that the Reagan tax cut never came close to paying for itself, but neither was it expected to lose as much revenue as it did. And while it was highly stimulative, that is only because the economic and financial circumstances of the time made it so. Reenacting some version of the Reagan tax cut under today's economic conditions would not bring about similar results."

The reality is that today's Republicans are more easily recognized for what they are against than what they stand for and they plan to use obstruction policies to the detriment of the American public and then ride the simpleton mentality of "anybody but" voting back to power.

By Dale Hansen
 
This from the party of "They want your grandmother to eat dog food...." and "They want dirty wather" and "They are going to create more terrorists by doing that" and "When you're eating a nuke because Bush waterboarded don't come crawling to me..." and "They are coming for your children"...

:rolleyes:

Mote, eye, bible verse somewhere that includes both, use google, find it, read it, use a bit of introspection, get back to me after seeing to that mote...
 
This from the party of "They want your grandmother to eat dog food...." and "They want dirty wather" and "They are going to create more terrorists by doing that" and "When you're eating a nuke because Bush waterboarded don't come crawling to me..." and "They are coming for your children"...

:rolleyes:

Mote, eye, bible verse somewhere that includes both, use google, find it, read it, use a bit of introspection, get back to me after seeing to that mote...

Damo playing the same old "Well they do it too" card...ROTFLMAO!

Thank YOU for the time you took to come up with that finely crafted response...

Your courteous, yet direct refutation of Ken's many points is a joy to behold.
 
This from the party of "They want your grandmother to eat dog food...." and "They want dirty wather" and "They are going to create more terrorists by doing that" and "When you're eating a nuke because Bush waterboarded don't come crawling to me..." and "They are coming for your children"...

:rolleyes:

Mote, eye, bible verse somewhere that includes both, use google, find it, read it, use a bit of introspection, get back to me after seeing to that mote...

The hack is strong in this one.
 
Damo playing the same old "Well they do it too" card...ROTFLMAO!

Thank YOU for the time you took to come up with that finely crafted response...

Your courteous, yet direct refutation of Ken's many points is a joy to behold.

You really didn't get the point. If you think that was a "they do it too" kind of post then you've no idea about that verse and really should have googled it...

I'm not refuting his "points", I'm pointing out that there is something in his eye, and it keeps hitting me in the face as he tries to remove that splinter from mine. Basically I am saying, if you want it to change it begins with you.

You won't see me starting a thread like this, because I fully comprehend the meaning. In fact, you'll see me trying to get candidates and posters to remain focused on the bad policy. That is enough to defeat this President, we don't need the other nonsense. It detracts and causes inane arguments about which is "worse" and loses focus on the reason that we need to change horses now, immediately.
 
This from the party of "They want your grandmother to eat dog food...." and "They want dirty wather" and "They are going to create more terrorists by doing that" and "When you're eating a nuke because Bush waterboarded don't come crawling to me..." and "They are coming for your children"...

:rolleyes:

Mote, eye, bible verse somewhere that includes both, use google, find it, read it, use a bit of introspection, get back to me after seeing to that mote...

O.K., I get now that you opperate on a different level than I do, meaning things other than what you say, etc., BUT WTF?

They DO want grandma to eat dogfood, invading soverign nations DOES promote terrorism, the water IS getting dirty, tourture IS illegal AND counter-productive, and they ARE coming for our children.

I thought you pay attention?
 
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This from the party of "They want your grandmother to eat dog food...." and "They want dirty wather" and "They are going to create more terrorists by doing that" and "When you're eating a nuke because Bush waterboarded don't come crawling to me..." and "They are coming for your children"...

:rolleyes:

Mote, eye, bible verse somewhere that includes both, use google, find it, read it, use a bit of introspection, get back to me after seeing to that mote...


Evidently the "mote" belongs to you. Quit toggling on other folks' toothpicks, and tend to yourself. Watch it....you got a table right there....oops, there goes the lamp.
 
Damo playing the same old "Well they do it too" card...ROTFLMAO!

Thank YOU for the time you took to come up with that finely crafted response...

Your courteous, yet direct refutation of Ken's many points is a joy to behold.

well this was an absolute crock of shit post. It's hardly 'they do it too' when the post is clearly pointing out the total hypocrisy of the fear factor, but whatever gets your stupid ass through the day.
 
well this was an absolute crock of shit post. It's hardly 'they do it too' when the post is clearly pointing out the total hypocrisy of the fear factor, but whatever gets your stupid ass through the day.

Right. Just like the Tea Party isn't comprised of hard core racists and bigots. Reality, for some, is a hard thing to get a hold on. When's the next militia meeting? Do y'all serve coffee or beer or both?
 
Right. Just like the Tea Party isn't comprised of hard core racists and bigots. Reality, for some, is a hard thing to get a hold on. When's the next militia meeting? Do y'all serve coffee or beer or both?
only a deluded idiot would conclude that any single group is completely comprised of people with the same qualities. Like all TEA party people are racists, or that all militia members are fat, white, old men. or that all liberals are hoplophobes. or that all black people are victims. or that all rape victims were asking for it.
 
only a deluded idiot would conclude that any single group is completely comprised of people with the same qualities. Like all TEA party people are racists, or that all militia members are fat, white, old men. or that all liberals are hoplophobes. or that all black people are victims. or that all rape victims were asking for it.

Perhaps, but it sure pushes your buttons, doesn't it? LOL
 
O.K., I get now that you opperate on a different level than I do, meaning things other than what you say, etc., BUT WTF?

They DO want grandma to eat dogfood, invading soverign nations DOES promote terrorism, the water IS getting dirty, tourture IS illegal AND counter-productive, and they ARE coming for our children.

I thought you pay attention?

LOL... This makes me laugh. Today is a great day for irony.
 
O.K., I get now that you opperate on a different level than I do, meaning things other than what you say, etc., BUT WTF?

They DO want grandma to eat dogfood, invading soverign nations DOES promote terrorism, the water IS getting dirty, tourture IS illegal AND counter-productive, and they ARE coming for our children.

I thought you pay attention?

The Tea Party Is Coming For Your Children
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In this instance you are clearly using the term irony to imply that you disagree with me, yes?

Irony doesn't mean agreement or disagreement, it just is.

You use fear mongering in a thread about fear mongering. That is ironic. Which makes me grin. Agreement or disagreement doesn't change that I like irony.

I remember just the other day, I went into the restaurant and begged for the dirty water and to be seated next to diesel engines because I like dirty air and water, and I thought, "Man. I hope Grandma has enough dog food to eat!" as I talked up nation building stupid wars because I just like them and if we ran out of terrorists we'd be at peace and that would be bad. I shook my fist at the current administration bombing from remote controlled planes to kill the brown people because the random killing of innocents that are near terrorists causes "terrorism" (yeah, ironic).

I sat my kids with me because I want them to think dirty air is awesome too, lit up a cigar, and congratulated my buddies in oil for destroying the gulf and making my shrimp all oily and hoped for cancer because that is awesome too. At some point I look forward to eating dog food as I die from carcinogens that I love to have in my water. At that time I plan on going to a rally to promote "holy" book burning so we can have more terrorists... All of this creates home-grown leftist terrorists to fight as well... It's almost a religious experience.

Today the board is an irony rich environment.
 
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