Lab Grown Meat Could Be Terrible for the Environment

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Give it some more thought, LR.

'Beyond excruciating': When it comes to brutality, Singapore canes it

[FONT=&]OUCH, double ouch and triple ouch. The brutal act of caning in Singapore has been described as "beyond excruciating".

[/FONT][FONT=&]"If West Australian maritime worker Bruce Griffiths is caned for swearing on a flight bound for Singapore, he's in for a punishment so brutal it is classed by Amnesty International as torture. [/FONT][FONT=&]The cane used in Singapore is a 1.2 metre rattan rod which is just over a centimetre in thickness. It is applied with such ferocity that victims' buttocks are completely stripped of skin, leaving them raw and mutilated. One recent recipient of the cane described the pain as "beyond excruciating".

When many Australians think of the cane, we recall the punishment we or our parents copped way back when corporal punishment was a standard procedure in Australian schools. That was a tickle with a feather duster compared to what goes on in Singapore.

One widely circulated online video taken in the courtyard of a Singapore prison shows a man strapped to a trestle with his buttocks bared. The first two strokes visibly redden his skin. The third and fourth open deep cuts. By the fifth stroke, the victim cries out in agony as his wounds spread to almost the entire surface of his buttocks. You can only imagine the scene after the maximum 24 strokes.

Caning in Singapore can be administered for a wide range of offenses, from violent crime to trivial administrative offenses like overstaying a tourist visa for more than 90 days. Singapore also has to what it calls "outrage of modesty crimes", and the laws can apply to incidents which occur onboard planes registered in Singapore.

There is no recent precedent of an Australian receiving the cane in Singapore, although a Swiss national received three strokes of the cane in 2010 for vandalising a Singapore train. Mr Griffiths is currently receiving assistance from the Australian High Commission. He will be hoping, quite literally, that they save his backside."

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Most people here know where I stand on crime and punishment. I am Authoritarian. I was definitely for caning the kid who did the graffiti. He likened it to a nose bleed when he recounted being caned. Not severe trauma but more than a scratch or something. I’m sure it is abused as are many methods of punishment, but I have always been one who falls on the punishment side of the whole prison, rehabilitation, punishment debate. I see nothing wrong with having convicted criminals pick up trash on the sides of the road, make little rocks out of big ones, grow their own food during the appropriate season, etc. None of that is extreme or torture to me. Caning might be extreme but I’m sure there are worse punishments.

But, and I’m not trying to backtrack anything here, my initial post was more of a tongue in cheek poke at the OP where it was stated that the US and Singapore were the only two countries to give their “stamp of approval to cell-cultured meat.”

Edit: Oh, and I love Bob Rivers.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Sorry to taint your image of me, Mr. Niblick. I figured most people knew that most people where I am from (among other places in the US) spank their children.

As a teacher, parents opt out of corporal punishment for their child at the beginning of the school year. No child is spanked without the parents being notified. I haven’t had to spank a child at school in almost two years, and that wasn’t for a situation in my class. Our superintendent at the time was not a … well, let’s just say he wasn’t a guy who spanked high school students. He asked me to carry out the punishment for this kid for vaping because the principle wasn’t there. I called the kid’s dad (who was a former student of mine) and told him what the kid had done and the consequence decided on by the Superintendent was three swats. He said, “Make them good ones.” This kid was back in class immediately and missed no instruction. By contrast, the other kid involved was on the “no paddle” list. He was suspended for 2 weeks and miss instruction for those 10 days.

I get that corporal punishment stems from “perverted obsolete biblical concepts,” but it is in no way “child abuse.” I will argue this until my dying day. It has been abused, yes indeed. But when done correctly it’s not abuse.

I have seen real child abuse. I have had to report real child abuse to the proper authorities. I have had to escort DHS agents to homes where real child abuse had taken place. I have had to testify and give depositions in real child abuse cases. I have made enemies of parents who were guilty of real child abuse. Made enemies because actions I took to protect their children from them.

So when someone wants to call properly administered corporal punishment “child abuse” I’m pretty numb to it. My wife and I talked about this before our son was born and decided to use corporal punishment. I spanked my son three times, the last time when he was 12 for saying “shit.” I have spanked very few students in 35 years of teaching. None were harmed and many have returned to thank me for caring. I couldn’t tell you the times that I’ve run in to former students at a restaurant, a few of whom I’ve paddled, say our pleasantries, the wife and I go eat our meal and get ready to pay only to find that that former student has already paid for it. That’s real life for me.

My kids said "shit" when they were toddlers. "Fuck" soon thereafter.
The Gestapo and I couldn't--well--fucking give a shit is probably the best way to put it in this context.
Our parents were a bit miffed, but that made it even funnier.

They graduated college Magna Cum Laude [son] and Summa Cum Laude [daughter] from private Eastern schools.
That's simply fact, although my son served in the military first.

We really do live in totally different worlds.
Even more so that I had imagined.
Perhaps you already knew.