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With 4.5 million members, MoveOn is now bigger than they NRA. Maybe our leaders should think about that for a while.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/06/moveon-how-do-you-like-them-now/

The conservatives in our media, and I saw someone call them "movement conservates masquerading as journalists", are just killing themselves to get out this narrative, this meme - we are still a right of center country. Some of them have claimed that the election PROVED we are a right of center country. Karl Rove, who claimed that Obama's tax policy made him a socialist, now claims that Obama ran a right of center campaign. I mean, you couldn't make this shit up. And by movement cons pretending to be journalists I do mean, Buchanan, Scarborough, and many others, but they are two of the biggest frauds.

And they are on nearly round the clock in MSNBC. MSNBC folks.

Anyway...yep, moveon is bigger than the NRA now. If you don't think this was a sea change, then you really don't get it...but you will.
 
Darla said:
With 4.5 million members, MoveOn is now bigger than they NRA. Maybe our leaders should think about that for a while.


Anyway...yep, moveon is bigger than the NRA now. If you don't think this was a sea change, then you really don't get it...but you will.
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and this means what? you think now is the time to take our guns?

I encourage you to try. :clap:
 
Yeah - I have noticed that continued insistence. "We are still a center-right country...really, we are!"

2/3 of voters 19-29 voted Dem. And old people aren't getting any younger.
 
Darla said:
With 4.5 million members, MoveOn is now bigger than they NRA. Maybe our leaders should think about that for a while.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/06/moveon-how-do-you-like-them-now/

The conservatives in our media, and I saw someone call them "movement conservates masquerading as journalists", are just killing themselves to get out this narrative, this meme - we are still a right of center country. Some of them have claimed that the election PROVED we are a right of center country. Karl Rove, who claimed that Obama's tax policy made him a socialist, now claims that Obama ran a right of center campaign. I mean, you couldn't make this shit up. And by movement cons pretending to be journalists I do mean, Buchanan, Scarborough, and many others, but they are two of the biggest frauds.

And they are on nearly round the clock in MSNBC. MSNBC folks.

Anyway...yep, moveon is bigger than the NRA now. If you don't think this was a sea change, then you really don't get it...but you will.
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This is apples and oranges to me. The NRA is a one trick pony. They focus on one issue. Moveon.org is about the entire liberal movement. They focus on a multitude of issues.

Just my opinion but if you think the moveon crowd is going to take over watch how quickly all those Independents that supported Obama swing back to the right.

Moveon is to the left of many Democrats. They are not taking over.
 
cawacko said:
This is apples and oranges to me. The NRA is a one trick pony. They focus on one issue. Moveon.org is about the entire liberal movement. They focus on a multitude of issues.

Just my opinion but if you think the moveon crowd is going to take over watch how quickly all those Independents that supported Obama swing back to the right.

Moveon is to the left of many Democrats. They are not taking over.
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It’s not about “taking over”. That’s republican thought. It’s about being able to take control of your own agenda, and the liberal message. It’s about being able to fight back. Let me give you one example of what I am driving at and then, if you don’t get it, that’s ok, it doesn’t matter.

The right wing will not be able to do to Obama what they did to Bill Clinton.
 
Darla said:
Did anybody find out who this idiot is smarter than yet? There was a research team looking into it wasn’t there? Did they come up with anyone?
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your commissioned research team was embarrased to report that I was smarter than you and every liberal/socialist on here. :readit:
 
If forced to take a position I would say that the conservatives are probably right about this being a centre-right country (at least according to political self-identification), I really think that both sides are trying too hard to spin this.

This wasn't an ideological referendum, it was a referendum on the failed Presidency of GWB. Ideologues on both sides tend to desperately cling to the idea that any signicant amount of voters are voting based on ideology and that simply isn't true.
 
Epicurus said:
If forced to take a position I would say that the conservatives are probably right about this being a centre-right country (at least according to political self-identification), I really think that both sides are trying too hard to spin this.

This wasn't an ideological referendum, it was a referendum on the failed Presidency of GWB. Ideologues on both sides tend to desperately cling to the idea that any signicant amount of voters are voting based on ideology and that simply isn't true.
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In all this talk about whether the country is center-right no one seems to present actual evidence as to where a majority of the country actually stands on the issues. If you were to look at that you would see that most people support the left position on most issues, particularly social issues.

And pretending that the election was a referendum on GWB, but not the ideology and policy positions of GWB is silly.
 
Dungheap said:
In all this talk about whether the country is center-right no one seems to present actual evidence as to where a majority of the country actually stands on the issues. If you were to look at that you would see that most people support the left position on most issues, particularly social issues.

And pretending that the election was a referendum on GWB, but not the ideology and policy positions of GWB is silly.
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it's just a feeling that they have.

it's called projection.
 
Dungheap said:
In all this talk about whether the country is center-right no one seems to present actual evidence as to where a majority of the country actually stands on the issues. If you were to look at that you would see that most people support the left position on most issues, particularly social issues.

And pretending that the election was a referendum on GWB, but not the ideology and policy positions of GWB is silly.
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why is it silly? Is that to imply voters would not vote on a right leaning politician again?
 
Then explain how Prop 8 passed in liberal blue state California? Because the voters certainly did not agree with the left's position on that social issue.
 
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