"No such law exists"

Tinkerpeach said:
I doubt it will even get that far after they move for dismissal during pre-trial.
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Care to wager on whether it will be dismissed? I'm thinking Trump will simply delay it until he's dead in 5-10 years.

Early on, it will be legal maneuvers. Later, he'll be like the Mafia Dons he admires so much and feign illness, dementia, whatever. I want to see him faking being dead. :D
 
Doc Dutch said:
Care to wager on whether it will be dismissed? I'm thinking Trump will simply delay it until he's dead in 5-10 years.

Early on, it will be legal maneuvers. Later, he'll be like the Mafia Dons he admires so much and feign illness, dementia, whatever. I want to see him faking being dead. :D
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Too many politics involved to make a safe wager on this one.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
I heard he can do that just by thinking about it, but how long does he have to think? Ten seconds would be bigly challenging for Trump.
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Trumpers believe Trump, as President, is a King with the powers of a King.

This is one reason why anti-American foreigners who side with Trump are also monarchists.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
That's not what the law says.

He can keep any declassified documents he wants per the law.
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Just more stupidity and lies from you again.

There is NO LAW that says that.

The law specifically says all government doc's whether classified or not are the property of the government and not the POTUS and must be turned over to NARA when a POTUS leaves office.

The only exception are the well defined documents listed in the Presidential records act which are his 'personal writings, diaries, or memoires' which he can allow NARA to assess and then gets to keep them, if NARA agrees.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
As head of the executive branches the president determines the rules for what is classified and what isn't.

If he says they aren't then they aren't.

He is the boss.

There is nothing here.
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Again more stupidity by you.

POTUS can decide what to classify and what to declassify and his decision is final, but it still requires the POTUS or his WH Staff to then take the steps to ACTUALLY declassify it. If he does not take those steps, as the only 3 court cases tangential to this topic have proven, then nothing is declassified even if Trump while POTUS wrote or stated they were.
 
QP! said:
Again more stupidity by you.

POTUS can decide what to classify and what to declassify and his decision is final, but it still requires the POTUS or his WH Staff to then take the steps to ACTUALLY declassify it. If he does not take those steps, as the only 3 court cases tangential to this topic have proven, then nothing is declassified even if Trump while POTUS wrote or stated they were.
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Where is this process outlined in any law?

It isn't.

They are policies and the policies are dictated by the one in charge which would have been Trump.

There is no legal basis for your argument which is why this case will not hold up in a court of law.
 
QP! said:
Again more stupidity by you.

POTUS can decide what to classify and what to declassify and his decision is final, but it still requires the POTUS or his WH Staff to then take the steps to ACTUALLY declassify it. If he does not take those steps, as the only 3 court cases tangential to this topic have proven, then nothing is declassified even if Trump while POTUS wrote or stated they were.
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The supreme court already ruled in the Clinton case that a president is allowed to keep any documents they acquired during their presidency.

You really think they are going to make different rulings for different presidents?
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Where is this process outlined in any law?

It isn't.

They are policies and the policies are dictated by the one in charge which would have been Trump.

There is no legal basis for your argument which is why this case will not hold up in a court of law.
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As has been quoted to you many times but you are too stupid to comprehend it here is the law...

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978



- Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

- §2201. Definitions
As used in this chapter—

...

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.


(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,2 of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President's own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President....
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So once again everything you say is stupid and wrong
 
Tinkerpeach said:
The supreme court already ruled in the Clinton case that a president is allowed to keep any documents they acquired during their presidency.

You really think they are going to make different rulings for different presidents?
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NO THEY DID NOT.

In the CLinton case Tom Fitton (the idiot like you Trump believed over his lawyer) sued arguing that Clintons Memoire recordings, stored in his socks drawer counted as Presidential records and thus were subject, as government documents to FOIA requests.

The Supreme Court disagreed, saying personal items the President has that have no bearing on his job (memoires, diaries, etc) DO NOT count as official govt doc's and thus ARE NOT subject to the Presidential records act.

Tom Fitton butt hurt at losing in court took away that meant 'any document the POTUS could just say was personal' because Clinton said his memoire tapes were personal and won.

That was not the finding but being stupid, like you, that is what Fitton believed and told Trump.

The opposite is true and due to Tom Fittons case the law was made more clear under the PRA. IF the POTUS can prove they are personal then he can exempt them. But ALL governments docs. All work product is NEVER exempt.

Be less stupid.,
 
QP! said:
NO THEY DID NOT.

In the CLinton case Tom Fitton (the idiot like you Trump believed over his lawyer) sued arguing that Clintons Memoire recordings, stored in his socks drawer counted as Presidential records and thus were subject, as government documents to FOIA requests.

The Supreme Court disagreed, saying personal items the President has that have no bearing on his job (memoires, diaries, etc) DO NOT count as official govt doc's and thus ARE NOT subject to the Presidential records act.

Tom Fitton butt hurt at losing in court took away that meant 'any document the POTUS could just say was personal' because Clinton said his memoire tapes were personal and won.

That was not the finding but being stupid, like you, that is what Fitton believed and told Trump.

The opposite is true and due to Tom Fittons case the law was made more clear under the PRA. IF the POTUS can prove they are personal then he can exempt them. But ALL governments docs. All work product is NEVER exempt.

Be less stupid.,
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Subjective, overruled.

If Trump declares them as personal property they are since there is nothing in the law defining what personal property is.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Where is this process outlined in any law?

It isn't.

They are policies and the policies are dictated by the one in charge which would have been Trump.

There is no legal basis for your argument which is why this case will not hold up in a court of law.
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It is explained to every new government worker. NARA is serious about keeping documents for historical reasons. The process for declassification includes the heads of the departments that have those documents. I am sure if a pang of honesty hits you, you can understand that what Trump tried to do was the end of all declassification. The copies of the documents exist in other departments, sometimes lots of them. When declassification is offered, all the people with an interest in them get a say. Can you imagine if Trump actually had the power to use his imagination to classify and declassify, what a mess it would be. You would not be able to prosecute people for stealing documents anymore. Who knows if Trump had a bad day at golf and declassified everything, but before you charged him, Trump reclassified everything?
Your trumpism is making you look stupid.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Subjective, overruled.

If Trump declares them as personal property they are since there is nothing in the law defining what personal property is.
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Except you are lying as i just quoted for you the law defining what personal property and what remains government records under NARA control.


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(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.


(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,2 of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President's own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.......
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