Obama Wants to Let Those Pesky Geezers Die

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By Matthew Vadum on 6.25.09 @ 2:36PM

In a rare moment of candor, President Obama explained to an audience how government-run healthcare would work in America.

According to the Los Angeles Times:

President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."

He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.

She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" [...]

So, old people: screw you. In the future Uncle Sam will put you on an ice floe and let you float away to your heavenly reward. It gives new meaning to the Latin phrase "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori." (In English, How sweet and glorious it is to die for one's country.)

Medical decisions should be made by patients, their families, and their doctors, not by government bureaucrats, but that's ObamaCare for you.


from..http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/25/obama-wants-to-let-those-pesky
 
The government currently runs Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS, and the VA hospitals. Does the gummit do what you right wing fear mongers are claiming in those medical programs?
 
meme said:
By Matthew Vadum on 6.25.09 @ 2:36PM

In a rare moment of candor, President Obama explained to an audience how government-run healthcare would work in America.

According to the Los Angeles Times:

President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."

He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.

She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" [...]

So, old people: screw you. In the future Uncle Sam will put you on an ice floe and let you float away to your heavenly reward. It gives new meaning to the Latin phrase "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori." (In English, How sweet and glorious it is to die for one's country.)

Medical decisions should be made by patients, their families, and their doctors, not by government bureaucrats, but that's ObamaCare for you.


from..http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/25/obama-wants-to-let-those-pesky
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Hilarious. Can anyone guess who is missing in the bolded list of decision makers under our current system?
 
Dungheap said:
Hilarious. Can anyone guess who is missing in the bolded list of decision makers under our current system?
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Umm right wing religonutz?

Do not give them sex education.
Do not give them contraceptives.
Do not give the blood transfusions.
God will heal them.
 
meme said:
By Matthew Vadum on 6.25.09 @ 2:36PM

In a rare moment of candor, President Obama explained to an audience how government-run healthcare would work in America.

According to the Los Angeles Times:

President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."

He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.

She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" [...]

So, old people: screw you. In the future Uncle Sam will put you on an ice floe and let you float away to your heavenly reward. It gives new meaning to the Latin phrase "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori." (In English, How sweet and glorious it is to die for one's country.)

Medical decisions should be made by patients, their families, and their doctors, not by government bureaucrats, but that's ObamaCare for you.


from..http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/25/obama-wants-to-let-those-pesky
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This is exactly where Obama's heath care plan will lead. We will have the government deciding poor people must suffer or die because the costs to make them well is too risky all at the cost of having another wasteful medicare type program.
 
uscitizen said:
Umm right wing religonutz?

Do not give them sex education.
Do not give them contraceptives.
Do not give the blood transfusions.
God will heal them.
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Well that works, too. I was thinking of the bastards at the insurance companies. Google: insurance rescission.
 
meme said:
By Matthew Vadum on 6.25.09 @ 2:36PM

In a rare moment of candor, President Obama explained to an audience how government-run healthcare would work in America.

According to the Los Angeles Times:

President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."

He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.

She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" [...]

So, old people: screw you. In the future Uncle Sam will put you on an ice floe and let you float away to your heavenly reward. It gives new meaning to the Latin phrase "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori." (In English, How sweet and glorious it is to die for one's country.)

Medical decisions should be made by patients, their families, and their doctors, not by government bureaucrats, but that's ObamaCare for you.


from..http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/25/obama-wants-to-let-those-pesky
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Yep, it is a well known fact that Socialist Countries and National Health Care put a value on a person's life. It's very disturbing.
 
obama has a point regarding medical treatment though. IB is just a simple minded dem lover who believes they can do no wrong and refuses to accept reality that in some countries with government HC, they do in fact make that decision, and it is exactly what obama is talking aobut.

with that said, i think, at times, doctors will recommend an expensive treatment, especially if rich or good insurance, when it will not accomplish anything. if you want to pay for it, go for it. but to it is naive to think that if your insurance pays for it that the rest of us don't.....
 
Yurt said:
obama has a point regarding medical treatment though. IB is just a simple minded dem lover who believes they can do no wrong and refuses to accept reality that in some countries with government HC, they do in fact make that decision, and it is exactly what obama is talking aobut.

with that said, i think, at times, doctors will recommend an expensive treatment, especially if rich or good insurance, when it will not accomplish anything. if you want to pay for it, go for it. but to it is naive to think that if your insurance pays for it that the rest of us don't.....
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This is why "overhauling" our health care is a good idea while socializing it is not. Medicare wastes billions a year imagine a nationalized program for all. Tort reform combined with creating better oversight and streamlining protocols for prescribing best practices would be the most intelligent course of action. Looking into deregulation between states would also create a more competitive atmosphere which is always healthy for driving pricing down.
 
Ice Dancer said:
This is why "overhauling" our health care is a good idea while socializing it is not. Medicare wastes billions a year imagine a nationalized program for all. Tort reform combined with creating better oversight and streamlining protocols for prescribing best practices would be the most intelligent course of action. Looking into deregulation between states would also create a more competitive atmosphere which is always healthy for driving pricing down.
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you have a point. there in lies the rub....we don't want socialization where the government controls the means and production of healthcare, but, we want the government to regulate it. what is your idea of the difference? solely the production?

as to tort reform, that is an insurance companies most excellent adventure and propaganda. studies have shown that tort claims represent a very small portion of the insurance costs for doctors. since maineman has repeatedly mentioned my profession, as he could never be what his daddy was....i am a lawyer, and i do some plaintiff tort law. i have a great friend down in LA that represents doctors and even he admits that med mal suits aren't as big as some would have us believe. its not absolute proof, just my two cents.
 
Total malpractice costs to the medical industry is maybe 2-3%

The insurance companies are probably the largest part of that cost.
 
Well, why wouldn't insurance companies be a large part of the cost, when they are sued at a the drop of a hat by our sue happy society...
And the doctors do probably run more test than necessary, because they are afraid of being sued..
Add on top of that all the Government strangling regulations, and having to pay for all the illegal immigrants in this country....
 
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Retards: nobody is suggesting an England type healthcare system. You guys aren't arguing about anything that's on the table. Stop lying.
 
TuTu Monroe said:
Yep, it is a well known fact that Socialist Countries and National Health Care put a value on a person's life. It's very disturbing.
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Really? So what's your take on the documented history in America of HMO's denying people health care in cases that have resulted in the person's death, let alone many basic care requirements? Does that make current American healthcare "socialist" also?
 
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