Oh, But It's NOT Nation Building!

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/27/miller_obama_afghanistan/

Obama Will Be Judged on Outcome in Afghanistan and Pakistan

By Judith Miller
Writer, Manhattan Institute/FOX News Contributor

Sixty days into his presidency, it’s official: President Barack Hussein Obama now owns the war in Afghanistan and has expanded it to Pakistan. And not a minute too soon.

As the president was unveiling his new strategy to “disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda” and its allies, Pakistanis were cleaning up the debris of a suicide bomber’s latest attack in northern Pakistan – an explosion inside a mosque, of all places, which killed 48 Muslims and wounded dozens more. Meanwhile, key Taliban leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan were distributing an agreement to bury their differences in order to counter the new American-led offensive “for the sake of God, God’s happiness, and the strength of religion.”

Here’s what has changed, and what hasn’t, in the strategy that Mr. Obama and his key aides unveiled today:

First, the president’s policy is a “surge” of forces, though he studiously avoided using that word for fear of paying any tribute to what former President George Bush learned and accomplished, albeit belatedly, in Iraq. The addition of 4,000 more troops to the 17,000 the president has already committed will bring the number of combat, training, and support troops on the Afghan ground from the 31,000 deployed at the end of Mr. Bush’s term in December, 2008 to some 68,000 by this fall, senior military officials say. So those who have urged Mr. Obama to reduce America’s commitment to the Af-Pak conflict are likely to be disappointed. Indeed, Senator Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan, lost little time today in criticizing the strategy.

Second, Mr. Obama is adding hundreds more civilians to the effort to encourage Afghanistan’s development and internal stability and is tripling development aid to Pakistan. This “surge” of civilian forces and resources means that President Obama eschewed the advice of those in his inner circle – among them, Vice President Biden and adviser Jim Steinberg – who reportedly lobbied for downsizing our efforts and adopting a narrower counter-terrorism strategy that would have enabled Washington to build and train the Afghan army and police, declare victory and leave. President Obama’s announcement, followed by a briefing by three key advisors at the White House, suggests that the president has opted for the broader strategy favored by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Afghan special Af-Pak envoy Richard Holbrooke, and CENTCOM chief General David Petraeus. The goal of that more ambitious strategy is, in Mr. Obama’s words, to enhance the “military, governance, and economic capacity of Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

In remarks after the president spoke, Bruce Riedel, an author of the new Af-Pak strategy, specifically rejected the term “nation-building” to describe what the Obama Administration will do in Af-Pak. But his description of the road ahead sounds an awful lot like, well, nation building. “There are 396 districts in Afghanistan. There’s been no training at that level; There are lots of things like that we can do,” he said.

The aides also stressed Washington’s desire to help Afghanistan improve its embattled agricultural sector, hit hard by war and competition from the more lucrative poppy crops in southern Afghanistan, largely controlled by the Taliban. America and its NATO allies will also step up efforts to train more police, help protect judges, and stand up for courts at the district and provincial levels. Richard Holbrooke focused on the need to strengthen the psychological and communications aspects of the Af-Pak war. Washington, he said, would not repeat its mistake of ignoring the 150 illegal FM radio stations and the Taliban’s nightly broadcasts of “names of people they’re going to behead or they’ve beheaded.”

Make no mistake: this is an ambitious agenda.

Third, despite Mr. Obama’s call for a trilateral “dialogue” with Afghanistan and Pakistan, President Obama seems committed to continuing, and even increasing, the Predator attacks on Al Qaeda safe havens in Pakistan that have already killed an estimated 9 of the top 20 Al Qaeda leaders. Although the president only alluded to the strikes in his remarks, Michelle Flournoy, his number three at the Pentagon, said that the “counterterrorism piece” of the Af-Pak strategy would remain “a central part of this mission,.” Indeed, she added, “I certainly believe we are going to be increasing our intelligence focus in this theater, and as opportunities arise that may increase the pace of operations, as well.”

How different is the strategy announced today from what candidate Obama promised or for that matter, what leading Republicans have pressed for? Not very different, say some Washington insiders. Max Boot, a conservative analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations, concluded that President Obama’s strategy was “pretty much all that supporters of the war effort could have asked for, and probably pretty similar to what a President McCain would have decided on.”

James S. Robbins, a former Pentagon official with the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington, noted that the Obama strategy was remarkably similar to what former President Bush had proposed in 2004. The Bush strategy had “five pillars” that strongly resembled those outlined by Mr. Obama today: defeat terrorism, help build and strengthen the Afghan security structure, help Afghanistan“clear and hold” territory, promote reconstruction and good governance, and engage regional states in ensuring Afghanistan’s success.

But President Bush’s war of choice in Iraq sapped priority and resources from the war of necessity in Afghanistan. President Obama now intends to reverse that flow and also to place greater priority on stabilizing Pakistan, without which Afghan security is a non-starter.

Whether President Obama succeeds will depend on how he implements his strategy. And implementation is still a work in process, his aides acknowledge. Team Obama also chose not to clarify how they will reconcile the sometimes contradictory goals Obama endorsed with the realities of the region. For instance, how will they reconcile their determination to work closely with Pakistan with their knowledge that elements in the Pakistani security services are aiding and abetting the Taliban inside Afghanistan?

They also said little about the specific “benchmarks” they would adopt for measuring progress in this war. How will they measure, say, a decline in Afghan corruption? The President’s strategy, says Mr. Riedel, is a “road map for moving forward,” not a “campaign plan” or a “straightjacket.”

Giving your administration diplomatic and military wiggle room is almost always wise. But by making the defeat of Al-Qaeda and its allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan a key foreign policy objective, President Obama has now given the nation a benchmark for measuring him, his staying power, and the effectiveness of his foreign policy.

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So, basically.... Obama is going to take the exact same approach as President Bush was taking in Afghanistan, except Obama plans to do more of it. And it's exactly the same plan Bush implemented for Iraq, to the consistent protests of the left! ....Oh, we can't engage in "nation building" it's pointless... this is the Islamic world, they won't stand for this... we will never be able to accomplish a thing... it's a waste of blood and treasure!

Richard Holbrook was asked directly about this being "nation building" and he basically said, it's not nation building because WE are doing it! I particularly loved his retort: "It's not nation building, Afghanistan has been a nation for centuries!" LMFAOOOOOooooo! (Did Mainey take lessons from him, or what?)

Yes Virginia, this IS nation building! And with the surge of troops from 31k up to 68k by the fall, it appears to be; nation building at the point of a bayonet and end of a gun barrel... something else the liberal left railed on for 6 years! But..... Since it's OBAMA, The Messiah, not one peep is going to be heard from the left! Oh, you'll hear feigned outrage from the anti-war nuts, but I'll betchya when it comes re-election time, they forget all about this.
 
You keep going for these kinds of "gotcha!" double-standard posts. It sounds so desperate.

There wasn't a single day of the campaign that Obama made any secret of his plans for Afghanistan, and his intention to increase troop levels & finish the job there. Not a day.
 
You keep going for these kinds of "gotcha!" double-standard posts. It sounds so desperate.

There wasn't a single day of the campaign that Obama made any secret of his plans for Afghanistan, and his intention to increase troop levels & finish the job there. Not a day.

LOL... it's not desperate at all... if it seems like "gotcha" that's probably because you've been gotten. This is Obama's plan, I didn't make it... Obama did! I'm just pointing out the double-standards from the left.

Obama never said he would more than double troop levels in Afghanistan, and his rhetoric consisted of all this Great New Strategy of Talk and Diplomacy! He was going to go over there and sit down with the leaders and talk... and that was going to be all we needed to do, remember? Now, he has basically turned Afghanistan into Vietnam, and oh by the way... let's also include nuclear-armed Pakistan in the conflict!

Obama ran as an "anti-war" candidate, and probably couldn't have been elected without the "anti-war" vote! But now that he's in power, we see his approach is not much different from Bush's.... He took a look at the Bush plan, and said... meh...not so bad after all... we'll just continue it with more intensity, and call it "new" and people will be too stupid to figure that out!

Meanwhile, dupes like you will rally to his defense! It's like I've said all along, the best thing that ever happened to the War on Terror, is a Democrat winning the White House! Now, it's suddenly a meaningful cause you all have to rally around, because your Messiah says so! ....I'm loving it!
 
Your posts are insane; they are so filled with projection, and your own interpretation of the world, which is as far from reality as anything I can imagine.

"He was going to go over there & sit down with leaders and talk"....huh? Did he EVER say that about Afghanistan? Don't forget what we're talking about here, Dix. When you lose your compass, you start dealing in generalizations & falsehoods.

As I said, his intent on Afghanistan was always clear. From the 1st debate:

"The question is, was this wise? We have seen Afghanistan worsen, deteriorate. We need more troops there. We need more resources there. Senator McCain, in the rush to go into Iraq, said, you know what? We've been successful in Afghanistan. There is nobody who can pose a threat to us there."

I can find plenty more on his intent to send more troops there. I'm sure when you heard it, you heard "roast marshmallows & sing Kum-ba-yah with the Taliban," but here on earth, people who listened knew exactly what he had planned.
 
Your posts are insane; they are so filled with projection, and your own interpretation of the world, which is as far from reality as anything I can imagine.

"He was going to go over there & sit down with leaders and talk"....huh? Did he EVER say that about Afghanistan? Don't forget what we're talking about here, Dix. When you lose your compass, you start dealing in generalizations & falsehoods.

As I said, his intent on Afghanistan was always clear. From the 1st debate:

"The question is, was this wise? We have seen Afghanistan worsen, deteriorate. We need more troops there. We need more resources there. Senator McCain, in the rush to go into Iraq, said, you know what? We've been successful in Afghanistan. There is nobody who can pose a threat to us there."

I can find plenty more on his intent to send more troops there. I'm sure when you heard it, you heard "roast marshmallows & sing Kum-ba-yah with the Taliban," but here on earth, people who listened knew exactly what he had planned.
Why? Is bin Laden still a real threat to the US? Or is this a case of many, though not those consistent, like BAC or Darla, saying Afghanistan is where Bush SHOULD have committed? Hmmm?
 
Why? Is bin Laden still a real threat to the US? Or is this a case of many, though not those consistent, like BAC or Darla, saying Afghanistan is where Bush SHOULD have committed? Hmmm?

Huh?

Your posts are getting more indiscernable. You're always reaching.
 
"“It’s time to heed the call from General McKiernan and others for more troops. That’s why I’d send at least two or three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan. We also need more training for Afghan Security forces, more non-military assistance to help Afghans develop alternatives to poppy farming, more safeguards to prevent corruption, and a new effort to crack down on cross-border terrorism. Only a comprehensive strategy that prioritizes Afghanistan and the fight against al Qaeda will succeed, and that’s the change I’ll bring to the White House.”"

Candidate Obama, October 22, 2008
 
"“It’s time to heed the call from General McKiernan and others for more troops. That’s why I’d send at least two or three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan. We also need more training for Afghan Security forces, more non-military assistance to help Afghans develop alternatives to poppy farming, more safeguards to prevent corruption, and a new effort to crack down on cross-border terrorism. Only a comprehensive strategy that prioritizes Afghanistan and the fight against al Qaeda will succeed, and that’s the change I’ll bring to the White House.”"

Candidate Obama, October 22, 2008

So the Army or Marines are going to secure the poppy fields?
 
Oh.... So Obama has been for Nation Building all along? Is THAT the claim now?

And what happens when Afghanistan/Pakistan turns into a quagmire? Or hasn't it already? 68k troops, up from 31k under Bush... sounds pretty quagmirish to me!
 
I really want to hear from the vehement anti-war lefties here... not the typical Obama Koolaid drinkers like Lummox! Is this what YOU had in mind? Is this what YOU voted for?
 
I really want to hear from the vehement anti-war lefties here... not the typical Obama Koolaid drinkers like Lummox! Is this what YOU had in mind? Is this what YOU voted for?

You just have no refutation for this. You were praying that this post would be some sort of "a HA....this is not what he campaigned on!" moment, but you've been embarassed again. He said over & over & over again that he was going to increase troop levels in Afghanistan; this is no surprise to anyone who paid any attention at all to the campaign.

Some lefties disagreed w/ it, but - and I'm sure you don't recall this - many on the left actually supported Afghanistan. It was Iraq that alienated most of America.
 
You just have no refutation for this. You were praying that this post would be some sort of "a HA....this is not what he campaigned on!" moment, but you've been embarassed again. He said over & over & over again that he was going to increase troop levels in Afghanistan; this is no surprise to anyone who paid any attention at all to the campaign.

Some lefties disagreed w/ it, but - and I'm sure you don't recall this - many on the left actually supported Afghanistan. It was Iraq that alienated most of America.

But what's your opinion oncey? Are you for the Afghanisatan champagne?
 
You just have no refutation for this. You were praying that this post would be some sort of "a HA....this is not what he campaigned on!" moment, but you've been embarassed again. He said over & over & over again that he was going to increase troop levels in Afghanistan; this is no surprise to anyone who paid any attention at all to the campaign.

Some lefties disagreed w/ it, but - and I'm sure you don't recall this - many on the left actually supported Afghanistan. It was Iraq that alienated most of America.

No, I don't recall this Enhanced Bush Policy Nation Building War Hawk version of Obama, I kinda like it! All I remember hearing was Cyndi Shehan screeching about both wars, and the consistent grumble from the left over Bush's "cowboy diplomacy" ...now, Obama is doing the same, except more intense!

Did Cowboy Obama think to talk this over with the owners of US finances, China? What do they think about us going into Pakistan? How about India? Did Obama clear this with them, or are we going it "unilaterally" this time?
 
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