Pelosi: Golden Rule Should Apply to Terrorists!

“This is a time when the Golden Rule really should be in affect. Do not do unto others, what you would not have them do unto your troops, your CIA agents, your people in the field."

This is Nancy Pelosi's response to the proposed bill on how we handle captured terrorists. Aside from being a gross misquote of the Golden Rule, and ignoring the improper double-negative presentation, the implication of applying the Golden Rule to terrorists, is chilling. Is this part of the Democrats plan to fight terror? To utilize the Golden Rule? Does this idiotic bitch realize what she is saying? Does she think for one second, that alQaeda is going to obey the Golden Rule? Does she think our implementation of the Golden Rule, as foreign policy, is going to win us any favors from radical Islamofascists?

I want all of you who are not koolaid drinking pinhead democrats, who are currently disgruntled with republicans and contemplating how to vote, to please consider this... If the Democrats win the House, Nancy Pelosi will be third in line for the Presidency... if they manage to pick off Bush and Cheney's heart malfunctions, this woman is running the show in the war on terror! YIKES!
 
folks in the military know that if you waterboard detainees today, you are saying to all our enemies in the future that it is perfectly acceptable to waterboard American POWs then. Cowardly yellow blooded chickenhawks do not understand that and, quite frankly, don't really care because they know it will never be them that has to be submerged under water until nearly drowned.

folks in the military know that if you expose detainees to extreme hypothermia today, you are saying to all our enemies in the future that it is perfectly acceptable to expose American POWs to extreme hypothermia then. Cowardly yellow blooded chickenhawks do not understand that and, quite frankly, don't really care because they know it will never be them that has to be stuck in the freezer until their body temperature drops to the point where things stop working.

folks in the military know that if you deprive detainees of sleep for days and weeks on end today, you are saying to all our enemies in the future that it is perfectly acceptable to deprive American boys of sleep for days on end tomorrow. Cowardly yellow blooded chickenhawks do not understand that and, quite frankly, don't really care because they know it will never be them that is kept awake with pokes and prods and screams for days and weeks on end.

Why am I not surprised that the most cowardly chickenhawk of them all is making light of this?

Dixie: you are despicable.
 
poloski just wants to forgive and forget.

That is a typical misquoting of a bible verse.
 
poloski just wants to forgive and forget.

That is a typical misquoting of a bible verse.


The Golden Rule doesn't appear in the Bible. I think it is from ancient Jewish law, and is generally associated with religious teaching... which is probably why Pelosi didn't have a clue of how to properly quote it.

This person will be third in line for the presidency, if the Democrats win control of the House. That should alarm just about anyone with any competence at all. I'm not the biggest fan of voting "against" something, I prefer to vote "for" something, but this might be a valid exception. Anyone who thinks we should apply the Golden Rule in fighting the War on Terror, is dangerous and extremely scary to me.
 
Matthew 7:12 (Amplified Bible)

12So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets.
 
Matthew 7:12 (King James Version)


12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
 
Letter from intelligence and interogation experts at CIA, and DOD:

United States Senate
Committee on the Judiciary
224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

The Honorable Arlen Specter, Chairman
The Honorable Patrick J. Leahy, Ranking Democratic Member

Dear Senators:

We write as experienced intelligence and military officers who have served in the frontlines in waging war against communism and Islamic extremism. We fully support the need for proactive operations to identify and disrupt those individuals and organizations who wish to harm our country or its people. We also recognize that intelligence operations, unlike law enforcement initiatives, enjoy more flexibility and less scrutiny, but at the same time must continue to be guided by applicable US law.

We are very concerned that the proposals now before the Congress, concerning how to handle detainees suspected of terrorist activities, run the risk of squandering the greatest resource our country enjoys in fighting the dictators and extremists who want to destroy us—our commitment as a nation to the rule of law and the protection of divinely granted human rights.

Apart from the moral considerations, we believe it is important that the Congress send a clear message that torture is not an effective or useful tactic.

As noted recently by the head of Army Intelligence, Lt. Gen. John Kimmons:

No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us that. I think the empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years, tells us that.


Our nation was created in response to the abuses visited on our ancestors by the King of England, who claimed the right to enter their homes, to levy taxes at whim, and to jail those perceived as a threat without allowing them to be confronted by their accusers. Now, 230 years later, we find our own President claiming the right to put people in detention centers without legal recourse and to employ interrogation methods that, by any reasonable legal standard, are categorized as torture.

We ask that the Senate lead the way in upholding the principles set forth in the Declaration of Independence and affirmed in the Geneva Conventions regarding the rights of individuals and the obligations of governing authorities towards those in their power. We believe it is important to combat the hatred and vitriol espoused by Islamic extremists, but not at the expense of being viewed as a nation who justifies or excuses torture and incarceration without recourse to a judicial procedure.

The US has been in the forefront of the human rights campaign throughout the 20th century, led by Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. The end of World War II and the horrors of the Holocaust inspired the United States to take the lead in making the case that human rights were universal, not parochial. Until recently the policy of our country was that all people, not just citizens of the United States, were entitled to these protections. It is important that the world understand that we remain committed to these principles. In fighting our enemies we must wage this battle in harmony with the traditional values of our society that were enshrined in the opening clause of the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident...."

Respectfully yours,

*CIA Officers:
Milton Bearden, Directorate of Operations
Ray Close, Directorate of Operations
Vincent Cannistraro, Directorate of Operations
Philip Giraldi, Directorate of Operations
James Marcinkowski, Directorate of Operations
Melissa Mahle, Directorate of Operations
Paul Pillar, Directorate of Intelligence
David MacMichael, Directorate of Intelligence
Melvin Goodman, Directorate of Intelligence
Ray McGovern, Directorate of Intelligence
Mary O. McCarthy, DCI professional staff

*US Military and Department of Defense:
W. Patrick Lang, (Colonel, US Army retired, Director Defense Humint Services, retired)
A. D. Ackels, (Colonel, US Army, retired)
Karen Kwiatkowski, (Lt. Colonel, USAF, retired)

*US Department of State:
Thomas R. Maertens, Deputy Coordinator, Office of Counter Terrorism, US Department of State
Larry C Johnson, Office of Counter Terrorism, US Department of State

*Federal Bureau of Investigation:
Christopher Whitcomb, Hostage Rescue Team
 
The Golden Rule doesn't appear in the Bible. I think it is from ancient Jewish law, and is generally associated with religious teaching... which is probably why Pelosi didn't have a clue of how to properly quote it.

This person will be third in line for the presidency, if the Democrats win control of the House. That should alarm just about anyone with any competence at all. I'm not the biggest fan of voting "against" something, I prefer to vote "for" something, but this might be a valid exception. Anyone who thinks we should apply the Golden Rule in fighting the War on Terror, is dangerous and extremely scary to me.
Um... Matthew 7.12

"Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them."

Also see:

Leviticus 19.18

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Which was quoted later by Christ in Matthew 22.36-40.
 
Dont point out his lack of knoledge, or any mistakes he makes... He'll ignore you!
 
What Nancy said is the silver rule actually. The golden rule is about what you actively do. The silver about what you refrain from doing.

I live by both sayings. I personally wouldn't make an exception for terrorists.
 
Um... Matthew 7.12

"Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them."

Also see:

Leviticus 19.18

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Which was quoted later by Christ in Matthew 22.36-40.

Uhm... the actual "Golden Rule" is: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Those words do not appear in the Bible. I agree, the Golden Rule is taught in the Bible, and generally associated with the Bible, but it doesn't actually come from the Bible. That was my point, sorry for the confusion.
 
No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices.

Well, we know now for a fact, several terror plots were foiled because of the interrogation of KSM and his associates. Apparently, this General wasn't in the loop.
 
Uhm... the actual "Golden Rule" is: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Those words do not appear in the Bible. I agree, the Golden Rule is taught in the Bible, and generally associated with the Bible, but it doesn't actually come from the Bible. That was my point, sorry for the confusion.


Tap dance alert!
 
Uhm... the actual "Golden Rule" is: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Those words do not appear in the Bible. I agree, the Golden Rule is taught in the Bible, and generally associated with the Bible, but it doesn't actually come from the Bible. That was my point, sorry for the confusion.
Read that same verse, the first one I posted, in the King James version and tell me what it says there, Dix.
 
The golden Rule: http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm

Quotation:
"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama



Overview
Religious groups differ greatly in their concepts of deity, other beliefs and practices. Non-theistic ethical and philosophic systems, like Humanism and Ethical Culture, also exhibit a wide range of beliefs. But there is near unanimity of opinion among almost all religions, ethical systems and philosophies that each person should treat others in a decent manner. Almost all of these groups have passages in their holy texts, or writings of their leaders, which promote this Ethic of Reciprocity. The most commonly known version in North America is the Golden Rule of Christianity. It is often expressed as "Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you."

One result of this Ethic is the concept that every person shares certain inherent human rights, simply because of their membership in the human race. People are individually very different; they come in two main genders; different sizes, colors, and shapes; many races; three sexual orientations; and different degrees of ability. They follow many religious and economic systems, speak many languages, and follow many different cultures. But there is a growing consensus that all humans are equal in importance. All should enjoy basic human rights. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is one manifestation of this growing worldwide consensus. 1,2

In our opinion, the greatest failure of organized religion is its historical inability to convince their followers that the Ethic of Reciprocity applies to all humans, not merely to fellow believers. It is our belief that religions should stress that their membership use their Ethic of reciprocity when dealing with persons of other religions, the other gender, other races, other sexual orientations, etc. Only when this is accomplished will religiously-related oppression, mass murder and genocide cease.



Some "Ethic of Reciprocity" passages from the religious texts of various religions and secular beliefs:
Bahá'í World Faith: "Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." "Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah
"And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Epistle to the Son of the Wolf

Brahmanism: "This is the sum of Dharma [duty]: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517 "
Buddhism: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18

Christianity: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31, King James Version.
"...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6. The Gospel of Thomas is one of about 40 gospels that were widely accepted among early Christians, but which never made it into the Christian Scriptures (New Testament).

Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23
"Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3
"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4

Ancient Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to 1970 to 1640 BCE and may be the earliest version ever written. 3

Hinduism: This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1517

Humanism: "(5) Humanists acknowledge human interdependence, the need for mutual respect and the kinship of all humanity."
"(11) Humanists affirm that individual and social problems can only be resolved by means of human reason, intelligent effort, critical thinking joined with compassion and a spirit of empathy for all living beings. " 4
"Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you, British Humanist Society. 3

Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 5
Jainism: "Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2.
"In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara
"A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Judaism: "...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18
"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a.
"And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 6

Native American Spirituality: "Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace.
"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk
"Do not wrong or hate your neighbor. For it is not he who you wrong, but yourself." Pima proverb.

Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."
Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form"
"Be charitable to all beings, love is the representative of God." Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga

Sikhism: Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib
"Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259
"No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299

Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.
Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien.
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49

Unitarian: "We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent of all existence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles.
Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede
Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."
Zoroastrianism: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5
"Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29




Some philosophers' statements are:
Epictetus: "What you would avoid suffering yourself, seek not to impose on others." (circa 100 CE)
Kant: "Act as if the maxim of thy action were to become by thy will a universal law of nature."
Plato: "May I do to others as I would that they should do unto me." (Greece; 4th century BCE)
Socrates: "Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." (Greece; 5th century BCE)
Seneca: "Treat your inferiors as you would be treated by your superiors," Epistle 47:11 (Rome; 1st century CE)
 
So according to Dixie, Its not against the bible to commit murder... because the bible only says... "thou shalt not kill" - it does not say anything about murder!
 
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