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PostmodernProphet said:
hmm...let's see....$128 a year for the neurosurgeon, another $128 for the anesthesiologist, probably an average of $50 each for the other six people in the operating room.....then we have all the other staff in the hospital....oh, and the hospital entity itself......and then there's my general practitioner.....and that lab where I have to drop specimens off.....omigorsh, I hope I don't have to see a specialist this year....

what do you think, apple.....is it conceivable that all those malpractice insurance "contributions" I make to the various people I deal with in the medical field could be adding a thousand dollars a year to the cost of my health care?......I think you like math.....reaching a thousand requires what, contact with around 8 medical professionals?.....maybe 16 if folks who aren't neurosurgeons pay significantly less?.....

so, a thousand a year......you know, between my deductible and my health insurance premiums, I'm at around $10k a year....so my insurance company is figuring that average medical expenses are going to be something less than $10k a year......does that mean 10% of the money they are figuring on goes for malpractice insurance?......
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If you're seeing your regular doctor then referred to a neurosurgeon and requiring an anesthesiologist and operating room personnel do you think your total bill will be less than $10,000? I wouldn't bet on that one.

The point is a 10% increase is not going to be the deciding factor whether one gets necessary medical care.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
hmm...let's see....$128 a year for the neurosurgeon, another $128 for the anesthesiologist, probably an average of $50 each for the other six people in the operating room.....then we have all the other staff in the hospital....oh, and the hospital entity itself......and then there's my general practitioner.....and that lab where I have to drop specimens off.....omigorsh, I hope I don't have to see a specialist this year....

what do you think, apple.....is it conceivable that all those malpractice insurance "contributions" I make to the various people I deal with in the medical field could be adding a thousand dollars a year to the cost of my health care?......I think you like math.....reaching a thousand requires what, contact with around 8 medical professionals?.....maybe 16 if folks who aren't neurosurgeons pay significantly less?.....

so, a thousand a year......you know, between my deductible and my health insurance premiums, I'm at around $10k a year....so my insurance company is figuring that average medical expenses are going to be something less than $10k a year......does that mean 10% of the money they are figuring on goes for malpractice insurance?......
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First, the rest of the people in the operating room are nurses or something similar. They do not carry malpactice insurance.

Second, you have the rest of the hospital staff (I bet the records people and the maint. people don't have malpractice insurance either) and then the hospital itself, which is redundant. The hospital will have insurances, just like any other business (fire, general liability, workman's comp ect)
 
WinterBorn said:
First, the rest of the people in the operating room are nurses or something similar. They do not carry malpactice insurance.

Second, you have the rest of the hospital staff (I bet the records people and the maint. people don't have malpractice insurance either) and then the hospital itself, which is redundant. The hospital will have insurances, just like any other business (fire, general liability, workman's comp ect)
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You don't think hospitals have to carry insurance protecting them and their employees from errors made by everyone who works there, from the nurses on down to the people who launder the sheets and carry out the bio-hazard trash?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
You don't think hospitals have to carry insurance protecting them and their employees from errors made by everyone who works there, from the nurses on down to the people who launder the sheets and carry out the bio-hazard trash?.....
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Sure they do. I was not disagreeing that malpractice insurance is problem.

I was taking issue with the way you made it sound as though there were far more entities holding insurance than there actually are.

Any business dealing with the public is going to have general liability insurance. Hospitals have huge policies to cover accidents and incidents.
 
Bittermark said:
The amount of your healthcare dollars that goes to paying for malpractice is a fraction of 1%.
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Exactly!

The Repubs are scared because they know once medical care gets going there is no way in Hell to stop it. I can envision the campaign speeches now.

"Will you elect a government who opposed the medical plan? Do you trust them to effectively supervise it? Don't take a chance on your health. Vote Democratic!" :cheer::cheer::cheer:
 
Southern Man said:
Wrong. As I've posted before, in this very thread.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=630194&postcount=30
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Since when is a person compelled to have tests done? There have been times when I didn't have tests done which my doctor requested and it wouldn't have cost me anything to have them done.

Let's start by taking the doctor off the pedestal. Or perhaps more accurate start by finding a compatible doctor.

While some doctors will send patients for tests to avoid law suits remember that more than a few doctors are no different than some dentists, auto mechanics or anyone else in business. Even if they don't directly profit from certain tests being done their referral is "appreciated".
 
apple0154 said:
Since when is a person compelled to have tests done? There have been times when I didn't have tests done which my doctor requested and it wouldn't have cost me anything to have them done.

Let's start by taking the doctor off the pedestal. Or perhaps more accurate start by finding a compatible doctor.

While some doctors will send patients for tests to avoid law suits remember that more than a few doctors are no different than some dentists, auto mechanics or anyone else in business. Even if they don't directly profit from certain tests being done their referral is "appreciated".
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Your anecdotal evidence doesn't matter; only the facts do. Doctors go through at least ten years more schooling than an auto mechanics and must compete for very few spots so its obvious you are jealous of their status.
 
Southern Man said:
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't matter; only the facts do. Doctors go through at least ten years more schooling than an auto mechanics and must compete for very few spots so its obvious you are jealous of their status.
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What does any of that have to do with having tests done?

As for being jealous of anyone that's difficult as I am retired. As I told my doctor every day is Saturday......Well, OK. To be perfectly honest perhaps I am a bit envious of Hugh Hefner. :(
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....the Dems love fear tactics.....and a dependent voter base....
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I bet the people who know others who have gone bankrupt due to medical bills don't need any fear encouragement or those who know friends or neighbors who can't afford decent medical care.

The Dems don't have to use fear tactics. A quick Google for "medical bankruptcies" supplies all the reality needed.
 
Southern Man said:
Nothing, which is my point. Your anecdotal evidence is meaningless with respect to the facts that I've presented.
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What facts? I'm still waiting for what you think Madison said/wrote that prohibits the government from implementing a medical plan. You've given me nothing. Let's see it written out, word for word.
 
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