Republicans stopped being conservative, and paid the price

Little-Acorn

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Barack Obama will be our next President. A man so unabashedly socialistic, that he didn't even bother to deny it, and even asked "What's wrong with that?" in so many words.

And yes, he will be my President, too. I will support him as I supported George Bush... and I will oppose him on policy issues I disagree with, just as I opposed George Bush on exploding government spending, new entitlements, campaign finance "reform", and other such things. But none of this "He's not MY President" crap - that's for babies, disgruntled losers who can't handle real life, and is frankly unAmerican - the first time I've ever used that word about any political attitude.

I have too much respect for the Constitution, and the ageless wisdom and shrewd practical truths the Framers put into it, to deny one of its most fiundamental priciples: That both the people who vote for AND AGAINST an issue, agree to be bound by the election's outcome regardless, and work to support the decision of the whole once the votes are counted.

But how did this outcome happen? America is a fundamentally conservative country. Most of its citizens would never dream of walking into their neighbor's house, holding him up at gunpoint, and taking his hard-earned money to hand to others "for free". Nor would they ever demand that the neighbor be thrown in jail and lose his land for draining a marsh on that privately held property. Nor would they ever give condoms to their 13-year-old daughters, or encourage their kids to be lazy and wait for government to take care of them. That those same Americans then turn around and vote for government officials who will do exactly those things, remains an enduring mystery.

I suspect it has to do with the idea that, if their only choices in an election is to vote between two liberals (as yesterday's election was), they may as well vote for a real one, rather than one who has to compromise himself and betray his friends to be liberal. Nobody likes, or trusts, a turncoat. And at least the real liberal promises them more goodies, which they may as well grab since they aren't going to get what they really want from either candidate.

The only landslides in most of our living memories, have come when a genuine conservative who did NOT compromise his principles, ran against liberals. They happened in 1980 and 1984,and congressionally in 1994. In those elections, the American people were offered a clear choice: Smaller government that would stay out of their way and confine itself to the things government was originally designed for (protecting our rights), versus politicians who made it clear that they would expand government and extend it into the most private areas of their lives (and charge them for the privilege). And the American people's response was equally clear, every time: A thunderous rejection of the big-government advocates, in favor of the smaller-government advocates.

Only in the 1990s and 2000s, did the picture become murkier as both sides started expanding government and offering the voters goodies taxed away from other people. When Republicans won, they did so by narrower and narrower (and sometimes negative) margins; and even when Democrats won, they never got a majority of the popular vote, until yesterday, and then only 52%.

Fast forward to today. The Republicans need to read the writing on the wall. They've tried being liberal. They've tried compromising with liberals. They've tried being nice guys. And they've sunk further and further into the mud, every time, without exception.

They need to realize that the American people don't want nice guys. They don't want compromisers - note that they keep voting for liberals who have NO history of compromising their ideas. And historically they don't want liberals, either: when they have a choice, they vote for a genuine conservative every time. They only vote for liberals when that's all that both candidates offer.

What Americans want, is a government that protects their rights. And they don't mind when that government is uncompromising about it. In fact, they do mind when government does compromise on that ideal.

In other words, the American people have not changed much. THEY WANT CONSERVATISM. The Republican party has offered them everything BUT that for the last twenty years... and look at where it's goitten them.

Again, Republicans need to read the writing on the wall. They can't (or shouldn't) out-liberal the liberals - people will choose a real one over a fake one, when those are the only choices. But when they have a clear choice between big government and small, low taxes versus high, freedom and personal responsibilities versus nanny-state cradle-to-grave government "care", rigorous national defense versus compromise and appeasement of our foreign enemies, they choose conservatism every time, and by WIDE margins.

We need to start with CONSERVATIVE leaders in government, who will swing the party toward the ideal mentioned above. And if some liberal Republicans (some call them "neocons") get upset and threaten to leave the party... good riddance. Far more real conservatives will join, than will leave, since America has far more of the former than the latter within its borders.

America is a fundamentally conservative country, and always has been. America needs a party that reflects that fact... to make up for the fact that they don't have one now, and haven't for twenty years.

Republicans stopped being conservative long ago, and paid the price. They'd better take the hint.
 
Are you kidding me? This is a rejection of conservatism.

Just face it - America is a LIBERAL COUNTRY, and we don't want anymore of your fascism.
 
Yeah I hope the Republican Party pays close attention to this defeat.

It's what you get when you stop caring about limited government, individual liberty, and personal responsibility.

Maybe we will see them return to their principles and be the party they need to be.
 
Yeah I hope the Republican Party pays close attention to this defeat.

It's what you get when you stop caring about limited government, individual liberty, and personal responsibility.

Maybe we will see them return to their principles and be the party they need to be.

Then why would the American people vote for freedom and compassion over your fascism? Face it, Epic, this is the end of the fascism you represent.
 
Perhaps the future generations will divide American politics into pre-obama and post-obama epochs. This seems like potentially a paradigm shift.
 
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I gotta leave you on IA until you calm down from this shit. Talking to you right now is beyond pointless.
 
America is a moderate country. We want government to leave us alone. We want to keep the money we earn, and we want government to stay out of our personal lives. The vast majority of us work very hard for the money we earn. We are mostly generous people who will help those in our communities that need help. Most of us think abortion is the last worst choice a woman can have to make but it should be a decision she makes after consulting her doctor and if she believes, talking to her creator. I also think that a large minority of us believe that two consenting adults should have the right to enter into a relationship with eachother and call it whatever we want to call it. Most of us know that the health of our soul is not a governmental concern but a private one, that some choose to share with their spiritual community. Most of us do not want a government that is too far left or too far right. One that believes that so long as an individual's actions do not infringe upon the rights of others, then NO ONE should have anything to say about. To paraphrase Jefferson, So longs as it does not pick my pocket nor break my leg, who am I to care what another does with their life. That is who I believe most americans are, and any leader or party that strays to far from that does so at the peril of their position.
 
"America is a fundamentally conservative country"

Maybe on some issues, but this characterization doesn't fly anymore.

Also, it's a fact that when more people vote, more Democrats & liberals win. If we had 100% turnout in America, conservatives wouldn't have a prayer, literally.
 
"America is a fundamentally conservative country"

Maybe on some issues, but this characterization doesn't fly anymore.

Also, it's a fact that when more people vote, more Democrats & liberals win. If we had 100% turnout in America, conservatives wouldn't have a prayer, literally.

In Australia they estimate the compulsory voting adds another 5% at least the lefts total each election.

Not that I'm endorsing it.

The less people vote, the more the conservatives have. That's pretty much the conservative plan, to make everyone so dissillusioned and disappointed with the government that they stop voting.
 
our little Nut is back.

If you all recall he defended everything Bush did.

NOW he realizes it was wrong?
 
We have a fundamentally conservative voting electorate.

That's not really accurate today.

Again, maybe on some issues. Certainly, I would agree that most Americans want to keep taxes low, for example.

However, on issues like healthcare, energy, education, et al., we are now a center and in some cases center-left nation.

A center right/conservative country does not elect someone who was somewhat successfully branded a socialist, and give him big majorities in both houses of Congress.
 
Nah desh, the electorate is the same one it was in 2004. They're just tired of incompetence. Once the Republicans run a principled candidate things will even up again, but in the meantime I hope Obama makes some substantive changes to drug policy and gets out of Iraq.
 
A center right/conservative country does not elect someone who was somewhat successfully branded a socialist, and give him big majorities in both houses of Congress.

I don't see why not. They did the same thing with FDR in 1933 following a tremendous economic crisis. The parallels are quite similar.
 
I don't see why not. They did the same thing with FDR in 1933 following a tremendous economic crisis. The parallels are quite similar.

I don't think Obama is going to be anywhere near as liberal as FDR.

I don't honestly and truthfully believe this is a sea-change. He's not an FDR or a Reagan.
 
Lessons learned from last night's result:

1) Republicans need to be more conservative.

2) Obama and the Democrats need to move to the center.

Interesting.
 
It's a sea change in terms of youth vote, registration & the sheer # of new people involved in the process now, assuming they don't go away.

A whole generation has come of age under Bush. The youth #'s that turned out under Obama will only get older and continue to vote, while a new group gets to voting age and starts making their voice heard. This is not a conservative, center-right group of voters, by any stretch.

The Dems can screw it up, but if they govern well, they can build a coalition of center & center-left voters that could dominate American politics for a significant period of time.
 
I would have voted Republican if they had chosen Paul, Romney, or even Huckabee. They chose McCain, a quasi-Democrat and walking corpse with no experience in economics. Given a choice between a real Democrat and a fake Democrat, I'll take the real one every time.
 
Lessons learned from last night's result:

1) Republicans need to be more conservative.

2) Obama and the Democrats need to move to the center.

Interesting.

Republicans did well when they fought for principles of smaller government and fought against huge spending. Republicans got their asses kicked when they started spending and earmarking like crazy and committed multiple ethic violations.

If you want to call returning to fighting for more limited government and against huge spending being more conservative then yes that is what the Republicans need to do.

If you somehow think they need to switch directions and outflank the Democrats on the left you would not last long as a Republcan consultant.
 
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