Researchers still flummoxed by conciousness

ZenMode said:
Do we actually "have" consciousness, meaning our brain functionality creates it, or does consciousness just exist and our neurological functionality gives us the window to view it?
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I'm not sure what you mean by having a window into it.

Understanding conciousness probably isn't going to come from conventional physics or biochemistry. To genuinely understand conciousness, we may need a new science that doesn't exist yet.
 
Cypress said:
I'm not sure what you mean by having a window into it.

Understanding conciousness probably isn't going to come from conventional physics or biochemistry. To genuinely understand conciousness, we may need a new science that doesn't exist yet.
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A window meaning visibility into the contents of our consciousness. In other words, does our consciousness exist on its own, independent of our physical body or is consciousness a creation of our body, specifically our brain?
 
ZenMode said:
A window meaning visibility into the contents of our consciousness. In other words, does our consciousness exist on its own, independent of our physical body or is consciousness a creation of our body, specifically our brain?
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Consciousness is brain activity. So what if it is? Changes nothing.
 
ZenMode said:
A window meaning visibility into the contents of our consciousness. In other words, does our consciousness exist on its own, independent of our physical body or is consciousness a creation of our body, specifically our brain?
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The fact that all other higher sentient animals have a sort of rudimentary conciousness suggests it exists in the brain. The most reasonable and conservative scientific hypothesis is that it is an emergent property of neurobiology that we do not really understand.
 
IBDaMann said:
How did you establish this probability?


All science that doesn't exist yet, when created will be new.
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IBDaMann said:
hint: energy and matter are not interchangeable
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IBDaMann said:
Wave-Particle duality is classical physics.
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IBDaMann said:
There is no such thing as an accelerating reference frame!!
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IBDaMann said:
Darwin's theory of evolution is not science
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Cypress said:
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I know you're wondering how it is that so many people know that you don't know anything. I mean, how could they possibly know?

If it weren't for Terry, guess where you'd stand in the knowledge rankings. Go on, take a guess.
 
IBDaMann said:
I know you're wondering how it is that so many people know that you don't know anything. I mean, how could they possibly know?

If it weren't for Terry, guess where you'd stand in the knowledge rankings. Go on, take a guess.
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IBDaMann said:
hint: energy and matter are not interchangeable
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:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:
IBDaMann said:
Wave-Particle duality is classical physics.
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IBDaMann said:
There is no such thing as an accelerating reference frame!!
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:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:
IBDaMann said:
Darwin's theory of evolution is not science
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Cypress said:
The fact that all other higher sentient animals have a sort of rudimentary conciousness suggests it exists in the brain. The most reasonable and conservative scientific hypothesis is that it is an emergent property of neurobiology that we do not really understand.
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Sure it's possible, though I don't know if other animals having consciousness really makes one theory more possible than another.
 
ZenMode said:
Sure it's possible, though I don't know if other animals having consciousness really makes one theory more possible than another.
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If you are talking about panpsychism, that idea strikes me as pseudoscience. It actually sounds a lot like the Hindu concept of Atman is Brahman. I am not convinced that an amino acid, a peptide, a hydrocarbon molecule are tapped into a universal conciousness that permeates the universe.

We obviously don't have any good theories yet for conciousness, but my starting point would be human neurobiology. That seems like a reasonable place to start.
 
Cypress said:
If you are talking about panpsychism, that idea strikes me as pseudoscience. It actually sounds a lot like the Hindu concept of Atman is Brahman. I am not convinced that an amino acid, a peptide, a hydrocarbon molecule are tapped into a universal conciousness that permeates the universe.

We obviously don't have any good theories yet for conciousness, but my starting point would be human neurobiology. That seems like a reasonable place to start.
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I think panspychism gives consciousness to everything, right? I definitely wouldn't go that far.
 
Consciousness is a fascinating subject. Looked at objectively, it's easy to see a neural network that produces this. But looked at subjectively, I can ask, "Why wasn't I born rich?"

Why am I conscious of that which affects this body at this time? Could I not have experienced another life, in another body at another time?
 
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