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Superfreak said:
LMAO... yet another woman proclaiming that only women worry about unwanted pregnancies. It is amazing how many posts written by both Rana and Darla are written from the female 'da menz are outs ta get me' point of view. Really astounding. Neither of them appear to have ever even considered that their views are invalid, because they would rather proclaim it as sexist and thus demean the times when actual sexist behavior takes place. Both are doing a great disservice to women spouting off this hate filled line of crap.
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Another projection! You are full on Kodak today!
 
Superfreak said:
Nope, not at all. I think you two are spouting off the same hate filled mantra the Dems want to put forth. Making this about men vs. women. Which it is not. Can't help but notice you and Darla continue to avoid answering those very simple questions. Is it because it blows up the stupidity of your argument?
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I know you are embarrassed, just too prideful to admit it.
 
Rana said:
What if the pill isn't prescribe to prevent pregnancy, but to prevent other medical conditions?
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According to their doctrine? You'd have to ask a Catholic for better information but from what I understand they still believe that an abortive agent or that type of birth control is a sin.
 
Damocles said:
According to their doctrine? You'd have to ask a Catholic for better information but from what I understand they still believe that an abortive agent or that type of birth control is a sin.
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See, this is what is stupid about their doctrine! Hysterectomy would also be a sin.
 
Rana said:
I was raised in the Church where they teach you thought is just as sinful as the act. They contradict themselves, often.

Darla has shown you wrong, but you keep repeating your incorrect thinking. No one is forcing the Church to supply birth control for women, why do you keep repeating this fallacy?
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This again is incorrect. The current objection is that the "compromise" forces them to facilitate and thus participate in what they believe is a sin.

For another analogy. If I were to knowingly teach people how to make a bomb would I be responsible for what happens when they do? According to law, and to the Catholic church, I would be. The compromise forces them to aid them by telling them how to obtain them, while the previous law told them they had to provide it, which is also telling them to sin or be punished...

And yes, even though Onceler tries to say it isn't, this really is a First Amendment issue for them. They either sin, or they face the wrath of the government.
 
Rana said:
See, this is what is stupid about their doctrine! Hysterectomy would also be a sin.
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However, if you believe then you wouldn't be saying it was "stupid". It's a religion, some of the rules are not built for convenience.

Personally I think that this would again apply to Viagra. If your d**k is broke then the Lord God is telling you that you shouldn't have kids. Messing with that is an attempt to overturn the Will of God and therefore a sin. If they do offer medical coverage with the one, but will not the other then they are having a bit of a Mote in Eye moment, IMO.
 
Oh. (I learned something today)... Rana, I've spoken with a Catholic friend. Apparently there is a process to get dispensation from the Church if your life is at stake, even sometimes for abortion. Decisions are quick if it is an emergency situation. It is likely that a dispensation could be reached that would allow her soul to be unmarred should she need the contraception to save her life, or to save her reproduction ability. (Be fruitful and multiply you know...)
 
Damocles said:
Oh. (I learned something today)... Rana, I've spoken with a Catholic friend. Apparently there is a process to get dispensation from the Church if your life is at stake, even sometimes for abortion. Decisions are quick if it is an emergency situation. It is likely that a dispensation could be reached that would allow her soul to be unmarred should she need the contraception to save her life, or to save her reproduction ability. (Be fruitful and multiply you know...)
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Yeah, you know how long a dispensation takes, ask your Catholic friend about that and the cost of doing so.
 
Rana said:
Yeah, you know how long a dispensation takes, ask your Catholic friend about that and the cost of doing so.
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According to what he said, it costs nothing and can be very quick in emergency situations (say when a woman is about to die and has to undergo an abortion to avoid it). I'll ask more later to find out, but what he said today was that dispensation is about their soul, not about money.
 
Rana said:
Yeah, you know how long a dispensation takes, ask your Catholic friend about that and the cost of doing so.
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The only instance i have read about are ectopic pregnancies, where there is no chance to save the embryo. I would be interested in hearing from your Catholic friend how often other dispensations for abortions are given. I would also like to know what dispensations are given for the pill. I would be shocked if there was such a thing.
 
Damocles said:
According to what he said, it costs nothing and can be very quick in emergency situations (say when a woman is about to die and has to undergo an abortion to avoid it). I'll ask more later to find out, but what he said today was that dispensation is about their soul, not about money.
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Well, marriage dispensations cost money, so I just assumed all others would come with a cost. I have never dealt with an abortion dispensation.
 
Rana said:
The only instance i have read about are ectopic pregnancies, where there is no chance to save the embryo. I would be interested in hearing from your Catholic friend how often other dispensations for abortions are given. I would also like to know what dispensations are given for the pill. I would be shocked if there was such a thing.
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From what he said today, only to save your reproductive ability. Basically, if a person were to need the pill so that they could avoid a hysterectomy and thus procreate later there could be dispensation. Nor do I know how often it is, or even if it ever is, given...

Things I'll have to ask him.

It sounds annoying, but like I said... it's a religion, some of the rules aren't built for convenience.
 
Rana said:
Well, marriage dispensations cost money, so I just assumed all others would come with a cost. I have never dealt with an abortion dispensation.
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I haven't either. Shoot. I've never been a Catholic. Some of their stuff is a mystery to me.
 
Damocles said:
From what he said today, only to save your reproductive ability. Basically, if a person were to need the pill so that they could avoid a hysterectomy and thus procreate later there could be dispensation. Nor do I know how often it is, or even if it ever is, given...

Things I'll have to ask him.

It sounds annoying, but like I said... it's a religion, some of the rules aren't built for convenience.
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This is the only thing I could find on abortions, they don't have much on dispensations for abortions, which is what I remembered. I am still looking.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01046b.htm
 
Derp Derp said:
No Damo. That's just cowardly hiding behind a law and not accepting the facts. Even if they are practicing their first ammendment rights it doesn't change the fact that this is about a patriarchy being able to control and sanction the personal decisions women make about their lives. You can hide behind the first ammendment if you want but that does not change this fact.

Don't believe me. Try doing what none of the men I've seen who talk this nonsense about this issue being about religious freedom. Try something different. Try asking a woman what she thinks.

I'm sorry if I but I just don't get why women should have to give up their reproductive rights so some men can practice their religious ones. I don't get that and obviously from the response of the vast majority of women, they don't get it either.

Damo the facts are this. A Churgh's religious freedoms end where mine begin. So no, stop this denial nonsense. This isn't about religious freedom. Pardon the pun but that's an uholy joke.
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What is wrong with you? Seriously! This IS a first amendment issue.

1. Birth control is ALREADY free for 1 year (coverage which can be annually reapplied for)

2. Most all health care plans provide birth control coverage via their pharmaceutical coverage.

3. Religious organizations are protected from governmental intrusion by the first amendment.

There can only be one conclusion with regards to Obama's push in this area- to chip away at religious freedom.
 
Superfreak said:
FYI... there are many drugs the Catholic church covers. You do realize the difference between Viagra and birth control? One aides in procreation, the other prevents. I wonder which the Catholic church is against... but no... you want to make it about men vs. women.
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"One aids in procreation..." As if men in their peak procreating years need Viagra. Guess the company should have used Brad Pitt instead of Bob Dole as their spokesman.
 
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