Sense of Entitlement!

I have a young guy married one child, who BUSTS his behind trying to make money, his wife is in nursing school works part time in Walmart for minimum wage 14 hrs a week.
They had no health care for themselves or the kid until obamacare. Hes fighting everyday to get his wife through school and working as a nurse, so he can go learn how to do something. They are on food stamps, because he just cant make enough money.
By conservative teaparty standards these two americans are scumbags for being on the dole

THe fuckin koch brothers should spend one week in this kids shoes.
 
Jarod said:
This morning I took a bike ride around my little town. Its a small suburban town outside of West Palm Beach.

My "Village" as they call it is unique in that it has a good variety of strata of middle class. You have one area where wealthy people such as Tiger Woods and Jack Welch live.

Then you have the middle class area, where I live. The homes on the water sell for 1-2 million, the homes on the Golf Corse sell for $500,000 to maybe $800,000, and you have the homes that abut each other that sell for about $150,000 to $500,000.

So we have an interesting mix, I know a lot of people and I know there houses and what they do for a living and a lot of information about who they are and where they come from.

I do not know a single family that lives on the water that was not born in a privileged environment. They paid for their homes with down payments provided from their parents, and most have jobs that their parents got them or don't work in traditional jobs. I do not know a single one that built what they have on their own. They, almost all, feel entitled to what they have! I don't begrudge them what they have, I simply want an honest prospective of how people got where they are in this nation. I want to use that perspective to evaluate how to structure our system so that hard working people have opportunity to have something to show for it financially. I want to evaluate where people are coming from when they talk about our entitlement system. These people on the water feel entitled to what they have even though it was mostly given to them. I agree with them to an extent, they are entitled to it, someone rightfully gave it to them.

I live on the golf course. My grandparents paid for my prep school education and undergraduate work. My father lent me $53,000 for law school and the government lent me another $83,000. I paid my father back and still pay the government. I inherited about $35,000 from various relatives. I was given a LOT, so again don't get me wrong, I am not self made. I used all of that to get experience as a lawyer, my first job as a lawyer paid $26,500. I finally opened my own firm and through various machinations I got where I am. I've worked hard.

I have a guy who works for me around the house. He has worked harder than I ever have in my entire life. His father was a drunk who hit him. His mother is a sweet uneducated very poor woman. Lets call this guy Sam. Sam in not intelligent or educated. He does not read, or write. He's a little older than me, I guess he's 48. Sam works hard every day, he takes Sunday morning off to go to church. (He always tries to get me to go with him.) Sam and I both have three kids. He rents a small apartment, with the money some neighbors and I pay him to do odd jobs. Sometimes Sam and his kids suffer without clothing they need or school supplies they need. Sam does not have a car, he rides his bike to the neighborhood with a huge vacuum cleaner balanced on the handle bars and a buffer in the basket behind the seat. This guy feels no sense of entitlement to anything but the money I agree to pay him, and sometimes he asks for lunch when he is doing an all day project at my house.

I personally think we need a system that will give Sam an opportunity to live better than those who do not work as hard as him.
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Alas, the only possibility is called Socialism, and Senator McCarthy saw to it that no American should even know what that is. It is not likely that the lice who live off the backs of Sam and his like are going to turn into Father Xmas Lice if he fails to organise and fight.
 
Jarod said:
My main point here is that I would never begrudge Sam Food Stamps or free healthcare. He has no sense of entitlement to it, but that's not the point.
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They're not free you moron; it has to be recfully taken from others. How about if we just send armed police to your door demanding more of your income because we "decided" you don't give, or care, enough?

Jarod said:
When people complain about Americans having a sense of entitlement,
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That isn't the complaint you dunce; it is dishonest politicians unconstitutionally using the Federal Government ability to tax in order to pander to low information voters to stay elected. But since when does a strawman fabricating dishinest partisan fool like you care about mundane things like truth, facts or reality.

Jarod said:
we should make sure we are including the wealthy who did not work to get it.
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Who "decided" the wealthy did not work for their wealth? You?? Where do dunces like you erupt with such retarded and clueless nonsense?

Do you have anything other than Leftist canards to support your claim? Your rhetoric smacks of the typical Fascism that tends to accidentally erupt from clueless leftists who arrogantly presume they should be the "deciders" of what is fair and equitable in society.
 
Jarod said:
Okay, that is true. But we need a system that does not require Sam depend on benevolent middle class people like me.
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Strawman; but then, this is typical of the clueless parade of lies you love to wallow in.

Sam doesn't depend on the benevolence of middle class people like you; he depends on his physical ability to provide a service at a price others are willing to pay and he is willing to accept.

What do you think will happen to Sam if we arbitrarily raise the price he is willing to charge and double it?
 
christiefan915 said:
How about starting with the fact that he doesn't read or write, doesn't own and can't drive a car, and spends his waking hours scraping together enough money through odd jobs and manual labor to care for his family.
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So society prevented Sam from learning to read and write? You do realize that Sam is a fictional character created by a dishonest Liberal dunce who is economically stupid and uneducated right?

Sam has the same choices we all have in life. He can choose to be illiterate, or he can seek out the many charitable organizations that will teach Sam to read and write at no charge.

There are many homeless people on the street for the mere reason this is where hey want to be. They don't want to work nor do they have any intentions to. They also prefer the streets to shelters because they cannot abide by the "house" rules.

The problem with clueless Lliberals is that they cannot comprehend letting people make choices and arrogantly "presume" they have been divined as societies "deciders" and "arbiters" of what is fair and equitable.

As for the thousands of mentally ill people roaming the streets of our cities, you can thank the Liberal ACLU for that case. States can no longer legally force the mentally ill into institutions for their own safety.
 
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Yoda said:
I have a young guy married one child, who BUSTS his behind trying to make money, his wife is in nursing school works part time in Walmart for minimum wage 14 hrs a week.
They had no health care for themselves or the kid until obamacare. Hes fighting everyday to get his wife through school and working as a nurse, so he can go learn how to do something. They are on food stamps, because he just cant make enough money.
By conservative teaparty standards these two americans are scumbags for being on the dole

THe fuckin koch brothers should spend one week in this kids shoes.
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This is nothing but an outright lie by a repugnant uneducated hyper partisan asshole stuck on that special brand of stupid. Yay you!
 
iolo said:
Alas, the only possibility is called Socialism, and Senator McCarthy saw to it that no American should even know what that is. It is not likely that the lice who live off the backs of Sam and his like are going to turn into Father Xmas Lice if he fails to organise and fight.
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Please stay out of American debates; you're too ignorant and apparently clueless about our Constitution and form of Government and only try to drag thread IQs to your low level.

It's bad enough that we have to deal with equally clueless leftist Americans who have no idea what our form of Government is or what is contained in our Constitution and wear their emotions on heir sleeves.
 
I think it would be more fair to tax inherited income over earned income.

We must tax, that's all there is to it. I think everyone agrees with that, tax is necessary to keep the world operating.

If we are going to tax, would it not be more fair to tax money gained via work and sacrifice less and inheritances more? Allow for more first generation mobility, if you are the son of a rich man, you still have to work to stay rich.
 
Jarod said:
I think it would be more fair to tax inherited income over earned income.
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Why? Wasn’t the income already taxed; perhaps more than once?

Jarod said:
We must tax, that's all there is to it. I think everyone agrees with that, tax is necessary to keep the world operating.
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That isn’t the debate Counselor? Who is arguing that we should not be taxed?

I am fairly certain the argument is that we are Taxed Enough Already, AND, that there are Constitutional limitations on what the Federal Governments role in our nation is. That role is fairly limited to administering our laws, the nation’s defense and making treaties with other nations. I just can't find Nanny State anywhere within the Constitution.

Jarod said:
If we are going to tax, would it not be more fair to tax money gained via work and sacrifice less and inheritances more?
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So then you agree that EVERYONE who earns income should pay some taxes Counselor?

Why is it more fair to tax inheritances that are from income already taxed; perhaps more than once?

Again, I am amused by arguments that suggest we do not have a SPENDING problem, but rather a REVENUE problem; of course that is a false premise.

Jarod said:
Allow for more first generation mobility, if you are the son of a rich man, you still have to work to stay rich.
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What we are seeing from you, is a painful and inept naïve view of the world and issues and that which is where the Democratic Party is coming from; the politics of envy. It is a view sustained through ignorance that suggests that it is not fair that some should benefit from their own efforts or pass the benefits of those efforts to family members and then using a Marxist class envy view suggesting that Government “deciders” would know better how to spend that wealth than those who earned it.

But it is also predicated on the false premise that our nation has a “revenue” problem.

It is a dullard view that requires the willful suspension of disbelief, common sense and economic intelligence.

I have never understood how educated people can make such arguments given the history and the failures of such ideological views. It is almost as bizarre and naive as the claims that Communalism works; it just hasn’t been executed correctly.

It is an uneducated and ignorant economic view that suggests that the economic pie is finite, and therefore, if one has more, someone else must correspondingly be getting less. But this is false and a lie.

Taxing inheritances won’t improve the lives and standards of those at the bottom of the economy any more than Government theft will solve partisan political ideologues appetite for more revenue to buy the votes of low information voters who think they are entitled to other people’s efforts.

Liberals are always fine with confiscating other people’s wealth, up until they come knocking on your doors.
 
As long as we have to tax, I would like to avoid taxing money that individuals make themselves. I prefer taxing money that nobody lifted a finger for, that seems much more fair to me.

Generational wealth is harmful to our society and culture it promotes laziness.
 
Jarod said:
As long as we have to tax, I would like to avoid taxing money that individuals make themselves. I prefer taxing money that nobody lifted a finger for, that seems much more fair to me.

Generational wealth is harmful to our society and culture it promotes laziness.
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You have no idea how incredibly stupid this is do you Counselor? Really, there is no kind way to describe such glaring ignorance and naiveté.

Let me try to understand your incredible lack of reality here; you think that by taxing "unearned" wealth, you can find enough revenue to keep a $4 trillion and growing Government running? Is that what you are claiming?

I am amazed that you are surprised that people point at you and laugh when you erupt with such nonsense.
 
Jarod said:
As long as we have to tax, I would like to avoid taxing money that individuals make themselves. I prefer taxing money that nobody lifted a finger for, that seems much more fair to me.

Generational wealth is harmful to our society and culture it promotes laziness.
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The money was already taxed when it was first made. You just want to tax it again.

There's a lot more lazy poor than lazy rich. Stop being so jealous of other people's inheritance.
 
Right said:
The money was already taxed when it was first made. You just want to tax it again.

There's a lot more lazy poor than lazy rich. Stop being so jealous of other people's inheritance.
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Youre right that theres more lazy poor than lazy rich, theres millions upon millions more poor than there are rich, but id bet by Percentage by total numbers theres far more lard ass rich than poor.
 
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