Socialism is No Longer a Dirty Word

And people die all the time as a result of the callous indifference that the market introduces to human actions. In the Andes peasants are digging up an entire glacial wall, and mine it for gold. What's their reward? Every 31 out of 30 days they get to keep what gold they find. They mine every day of their lives and, on average, make about five dollars a day. They do this with mercury, and pour the waste into the river where the drink. The life expectancy in this area is 20 years less than that of the average Peruvian.

Would you purposely do that to another human being? Of course not.

But think about it the next time you stock up on you Ron Paul dollars.

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Watermark said:
Stalin had the grain but refused to give it to them because he was paranoid and thought that they were hiding away, and he wanted to sell it for export. It was not bad economics that killed the people, as they had produced enough grain under collectivization to feed themselves, it was the deliberate efforts of one man to not give them the grain they needed that he was warehousing, as a form of punishment.
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can you even see the bullshit you just typed?

millions of people died from starvation because they didnt have grain hidden away, but stalin thought they did so he refused to hand out grain?

mass suicide by hunger strike or some stupid shit?

what a maroon
 
Watermark said:
And people die all the time as a result of the callous indifference that the market introduces to human actions. In the Andes peasants are digging up an entire glacial wall, and mine it for gold. What's their reward? Every 31 out of 30 days they get to keep what gold they find. They mine every day of their lives and, on average, make about five dollars a day. They do this with mercury, and pour the waste into the river where the drink. The life expectancy in this area is 20 years less than that of the average Peruvian.

Would you purposely do that to another human being? Of course not.

But think about it the next time you stock up on you Ron Paul dollars.
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Wow, you've really got it backwards. The market is the result of human actions, it doesn't introduce anything. Human nature can be cruel and selfish, no doubt. But we should blame the human beings who commit such acts, not the freedom of action itself.

Your point about pollution/mercury; a legitimate function of government is to protect the rights of individuals. Pollution (especially mercury) is most certainly a violation of others' rights.

BTW, I don't own Ron Paul dollars, you jackass. I'm a social worker and really can't afford to spend money on such things. But if I did make more money (one day I will), I would consider investing money in secure commodities, but will also give more to charity. Capitalism will make that possible; I guess I'm violating Watermark's rule of capitalism, which is to be a selfish asshole and only concentrate on yourself.
 
ironhead said:
Wow, you've really got it backwards. The market is the result of human actions, it doesn't introduce anything. Human nature can be cruel and selfish, no doubt. But we should blame the human beings who commit such acts, not the freedom of action itself.

Your point about pollution/mercury; a legitimate function of government is to protect the rights of individuals. Pollution (especially mercury) is most certainly a violation of others' rights.
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But they CHOOSE to work there. Why are you messing with their wonderful liberty? And if the mine owner happens to make a couple of billion off of the whole deal, so be it.
 
ironhead said:
BTW, I don't own Ron Paul dollars, you jackass. I'm a social worker and really can't afford to spend money on such things. But if I did make more money (one day I will), I would consider investing money in secure commodities, but will also give more to charity. Capitalism will make that possible; I guess I'm violating Watermark's rule of capitalism, which is to be a selfish asshole and only concentrate on yourself.
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Yeah but I had to throw in a Ron Paul insult in there.
 
Watermark said:
Probably the most leftwing platform ever adopted in presidential history was the one in 1948.

The left isn't going forward, BAC.
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Sorry brother .. the left always moves forward .. as evidenced by society itself. Would you challenge that as incorrect?

The right is stuck hundreds of years in the past.

The center goes which ever way the wind is blowing.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
can you even see the bullshit you just typed?

millions of people died from starvation because they didnt have grain hidden away, but stalin thought they did so he refused to hand out grain?

mass suicide by hunger strike or some stupid shit?

what a maroon
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Your name leaves much too desire...
 
If the defination of Socalism is braud enough to include what President Elect Obama is promoting... Then it is not a dirty word.
 
blackascoal said:
Sorry brother .. the left always moves forward .. as evidenced by society itself. Would you challenge that as incorrect?

The right is stuck hundreds of years in the past.

The center goes which ever way the wind is blowing.
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It just depresses me how much promise we used to have and how little has been accomplished. If the right had been permanently routed 50 years ago, America would be such a better place to live right now.
 
Watermark said:
It just depresses me how much promise we used to have and how little has been accomplished. If the right had been permanently routed 50 years ago, America would be such a better place to live right now.
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We'd also be in better shape if the left was not dependent on the spineless Democratic Party of centrists.

Centrist = Spineless
 
Jarod said:
If the defination of Socalism is braud enough to include what President Elect Obama is promoting... Then it is not a dirty word.
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Obama would make "socialism" dirty all over again.

Who do you think lead the cheers for the bailout of rich people?
 
Obama has a real 3rd party feel to him. Sure he is a Democrat, but he really appealed to lots of those who would call him green.
 
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