The reason Palin is demonized, and you're not sure why you don't like her

[theMAJORITY]

When ever I run into a no talent liberal that does not like Palin, they can never tell me exactly why with any substance. Most of them say--She is stupid or not ready after uber progressive Currik and Charlie "the principal" Wilson offensive interviews. Thos interviews and Sat night live seem to be all they really know about her---after 13 or so ethics charges all were found false. They don't know why Sarah Palin had the biggest approval rating of any state in the union--if they know that fact. They don't know she tore down a fat cat Republican that was corrupt---from her own party--and she left as a Independant. Have you ever seen anybody tear down corruption from the inside (not exposed to the public before tearing down the corruption) in their own party? That is a good trait---since corruption is a huge problem in both parties (not that you fine core valued progressive folks would recognize corruption). They don't know that she put together a cracker jack team to build a gas pipe line---until the EPA and others blocked the construction with a obstickle course. Most would not know why she was very successful in Alaska, unless they actually lives there and experienced her representation of them.

OK--that is the majority of the people (and many here) that do not like her.

Why does most of the media, the Dem party and the elites in the Rep party not like her?

The reason is simple--but not taught in your university. She is not part of the progrerssive/Washington elite. They know she can not be bought off (unless she makes one mistake--she will not make it again), and that she does not share their progressive worldy views of a world of cheap labor and little opportuity for the unwashed working class--the people who built the USA--and can do it again if not leashed.

They know she has the ability to excite a lot of people--the min McShame picked her, and it only took minutes after her excellent acceptance speech to find things to elaborate on---or lie about--to try to destroy her ASAP.

It did not work. There are too many people that are wise enough to give a real citizen with a excellent track record who represent the people who vote for her like no other--a shot of leadership. These people are smart enough to know that Palin is not a wild spender of our money, as she actually bought her clothes at the same stores anybody else in Alaska went to. These people are smart enough to realize that the progressive media was very desperate to make the clothes the GOP bought her (which I think went to charity) was needed---because this tough American lady, who will win at anything she does---simply did not have a wardrobe for a suprise national campaign.

You guys can stick with the over spenders of your money, the people who want to force you to buy health care--or go to jailwhile the people you support have much better health care--on your bill-- the people who you can't trust--if there is enough of your kids money offered to them as a bribe, the people who say one thing to you--and do another, because they have no integrity, the people who probably druged up or drunk in Congress making decisions that effect the rest of your life.

No thanks--Palin has my vote anytime she asks for it. And she is as tough as John Wayne and Clint Eastwood together---yea---if you want to communize the USA--you better be scared--and you are. You just don't know how Palin is going to paly the game---do you? She will not play your game--so you have to guess, which looks a lot more desperate--since she is just a private citizen now---who sold a shit load of books.

I think McCain is a progressive dope (to a lesser degree than say--Sol Alinski or obama)--but he did the USA a huge favor when he putPalin in the spot light. She just needs a bit more confidance so she does not choke during tough questions (which obama never got--they had a list of what not to talk about)---then--she will help a great deal to try to preserve the fundamentals of the best nation in the world. That is the USA--if you did not know.

 

[meme]

Yep, all that you said above..they see she is a threat to their Messiah and the POWER they have today, so she must be DESTROYED..that is the gutter politics of the Progressives..

they will be on a full court press against her when the puppet in Chiefs poll numbers keep falling and they lose elections this year..

She isn't going away...much to the lefties, Progressives-Democrats and the elitist Rino Gop would wish..

 

[theMAJORITY]

Yep, all that you said above..they see she is a threat to their Messiah and the POWER they have today, so she must be DESTROYED..that is the gutter politics of the Progressives..

they will be on a full court press against her when the puppet in Chiefs poll numbers keep falling and they lose elections this year..

She isn't going away...much to the lefties, Progressives-Democrats and the elitist Rino Gop would wish..

well said---you know it--and I know it.

I don't know if she will run in 2012, a lot can happen by then to put her in that position though. I like the move she did to leave the Govornership of Alaska, so she can do the Conservative community organizing at the ground level all across the nation. This woman--knows how to build a base easily---because the base agrees with her--and trusts her.

Now my next step if I were in power--would be (and this will really piss the progressives off)--Iraq, Somalia--you guys want to form your own governments? Here--you can use our Constitution if you want to give it a shot. You see the mistakes we made--I bet you can make it work even better in a short 100 years.

Spread our Constitution all around the world at free will acceptance (and the people will want it--wanna bet?), to battle global progressivism.

 

[Adam Weinberg]

The conservative movement was formed by intellectuals, it won the GOP with a firebrand deeply committed to principle, and it was carried into the mainstream by a great communicator who reached the majority of the public.

Sarah Palin doesn't have those strengths. She speaks to the shrunken base and they read her loud and clear, but that is only 29% of the population. It may be enough to win a primary, but not a general unless discontent with Obama rides high enough that they see no other way out of a raw deal.

So far, Obama has done more for the future of the conservative movement than Palin. He has reminded the movement of its core values. What she has accomplished to unite the public on ideas, I really can't say.

 

[Kamala Trump]

The conservative movement was formed by intellectuals, it won the GOP with a firebrand deeply committed to principle, and it was carried into the mainstream by a great communicator who reached the majority of the public.

Sarah Palin doesn't have those strengths. She speaks to the shrunken base and they read her loud and clear, but that is only 29% of the population. It may be enough to win a primary, but not a general unless discontent with Obama rides high enough that they see no other way out of a raw deal.

So far, Obama has done more for the future of the conservative movement than Palin. He has reminded the movement of its core values. What she has accomplished to unite the public on ideas, I really can't say.

In other words, she's a not globalist noahide nutjob. Maybe not a keynesian even! Omg Hitler scary! boo!

 

[Kamala Trump]

I consider the spirit of conservativism in america to go back to the revolutionary founding. The intellectuals in paris weren't on our side. Just like the fake conservatives of teh GOP aren't conservatives, but fascists utilizing the american narrative, yet abusing it.

 

[Adam Weinberg]

In other words, she's a not globalist noahide nutjob. Maybe not a keynesian even! Omg Hitler scary! boo!

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Kamala Trump]

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course i do. I think she may have some ideas that the globalist zealots may not agree with. I heard medved bringing our his POPULISM rhetoric and had to laugh. Medved fears her.

 

[Canceled1]

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Whelp! Fer a gal that is so dum, she shore has you smert folk's boxers in a bunch, don she?

 

[Jeff]

Whelp! Fer a gal that is so dum, she shore has you smert folk's boxers in a bunch, don she?

They figure if they keep saying she is dumb it may come true, Liberal logic go figure

 

[Canceled1]

They figure if they keep saying she is dumb it may come true, Liberal logic go figure

Well look what happened when they kept saying over and over again they were smart....

 

[Adam Weinberg]

Whelp! Fer a gal that is so dum, she shore has you smert folk's boxers in a bunch, don she?

Well, if you want an actual conservative leader who will limit government, respect free enterprise, and put our country on a sound financial footing for the long term, you can't pick someone as your standard bearer who has never promised, focused, or even much thought about doing that.

And especially someone who will not be able to convince 50%-plus-one-vote of the public that they're worth giving a chance to do it.

George Bush's victory over Kerry should be instructive that the country isn't going to get rid of any bad or misguided President just to get a new bad and equally misguided and out of touch President. If you want a second Carter, you need another Reagan in both form and substance.

And frankly, it doesn't matter if we win in 2012. Assuming a GOP victory this year in Congress, I'm not sure the events will align where it will even be possible.

All that matters is if we win or lose for the right reasons.

 

[Adam Weinberg]

Let me sum it up like this: Unless there are major transformations in the vision that Sarah Palin offers this country, she would be a disappointing future for the conservative movement.

And it's a movement that is struggling to have a future as it is.

 

[meme]

We don't need any more VISIONS for this country..look at the socialist-commie VISIONS this administration is trying to IMPOSE on us..

what we need is someone who cares about our country, our Security, and get the damn Government out of lives so we can make it what it will be..

 

[Adam Weinberg]

We don't need any more VISIONS for this country..look at the socialist-commie VISIONS this administration is trying to IMPOSE on us..

what we need is someone who cares about our country, our Security, and get the damn Government out of lives so we can make it what it will be..

Yeah, well, those things you mentioned would all be part of what some would call a vision. Even people who want small government should have that, know how to bring people around to voting for it, and actually care about getting it enacted.

Sarah Palin doesn't know what makes those things possible. She's so much about Sarah Palin and her image that it rarely seems that she cares.

This is why she supports bank bailouts and has no significant issues with our foreign policy, and yet in the same breath says she's against those supreme court rulings that diminish states rights because that's big government...not that she knows of any rulings to cite, of course.

She's running on the same knee-jerk, faux-conservative playbook that made Barack Obama's ascent possible and destroyed the American right's credibility with most people. You can't win an election when most folks don't trust you.

Don't delude yourself into thinking a talk radio demographic of folks patting themselves on the back can win a national election. This isn't 1994. This country is very different today and even a lot of conservatives do not care for Sarah Palin as a national leader.

I don't care if she wants to write books or do TV or talk shows or even go back to being a Governor. This isn't about the merits of Sarah Palin as a person or whether elitists like me think she's cool or not. This is about the brand, message, and future of an entire political movement, and there is no way I would entrust her with that.

Do you know the difference between George W. Bush and Sarah Palin?




...Lipstick.

 

[meme]

Yeah, well, those things you mentioned would all be part of what some would call a vision. Even people who want small government should have that, know how to bring people around to voting for it, and actually care about getting it enacted.

Sarah Palin doesn't know what makes those things possible. She's so much about Sarah Palin and her image that it rarely seems that she cares.

This is why she supports bank bailouts and has no significant issues with our foreign policy, and yet in the same breath says she's against those supreme court rulings that diminish states rights because that's big government...not that she knows of any rulings to cite, of course.

She's running on the same knee-jerk, faux-conservative playbook that made Barack Obama's ascent possible and destroyed the American right's credibility with most people. You can't win an election when most folks don't trust you.

Don't delude yourself into thinking a talk radio demographic of folks patting themselves on the back can win a national election. This isn't 1994. This country is very different today and even a lot of conservatives do not care for Sarah Palin as a national leader.

I don't care if she wants to write books or do TV or talk shows or even go back to being a Governor. This isn't about the merits of Sarah Palin as a person or whether elitists like me think she's cool or not. This is about the brand, message, and future of an entire political movement, and there is no way I would entrust her with that.

Do you know the difference between George W. Bush and Sarah Palin?




...Lipstick.

Time will tell, time will tell..

 

[cawacko]

Yeah, well, those things you mentioned would all be part of what some would call a vision. Even people who want small government should have that, know how to bring people around to voting for it, and actually care about getting it enacted.

Sarah Palin doesn't know what makes those things possible. She's so much about Sarah Palin and her image that it rarely seems that she cares.

This is why she supports bank bailouts and has no significant issues with our foreign policy, and yet in the same breath says she's against those supreme court rulings that diminish states rights because that's big government...not that she knows of any rulings to cite, of course.

She's running on the same knee-jerk, faux-conservative playbook that made Barack Obama's ascent possible and destroyed the American right's credibility with most people. You can't win an election when most folks don't trust you.

Don't delude yourself into thinking a talk radio demographic of folks patting themselves on the back can win a national election. This isn't 1994. This country is very different today and even a lot of conservatives do not care for Sarah Palin as a national leader.

I don't care if she wants to write books or do TV or talk shows or even go back to being a Governor. This isn't about the merits of Sarah Palin as a person or whether elitists like me think she's cool or not. This is about the brand, message, and future of an entire political movement, and there is no way I would entrust her with that.

Do you know the difference between George W. Bush and Sarah Palin?




...Lipstick.

I like Palin as a candidate but don't lover her. I agree a little bit too with the faux-conservatism that you referenced because she comes across to me more at times as a populist without real conservative/libertarian economic credentials. Now she still has time to show her stuff if she is thinking of running for the highest office but you are right she is going to have to appeal to more than just the right-wing if she has aspirations for winning and right now that's all her appeal is too.

My issue with her populism is what are her principles behind it? How deep are her convictions?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Let me sum it up like this: Unless there are major transformations in the vision that Sarah Palin offers this country, she would be a disappointing future for the conservative movement.

And it's a movement that is struggling to have a future as it is.

Let's be clear, you are guilty of doing precisely what the author of the thread indicated. You "don't like" Palin, but you are struggling with the actual REASONS. I want to hear specifics! What skill is required by the President of the United States, which Palin lacks? I guarantee, whatever you come up with, the same can be said for Obama. In fact, the same could have been said for Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter.

What specific aspect of Palin's "vision" needs "transforming?" Is it the understanding that government is not the solution, but often the problem? I think a LOT of people in this country, share that very same understanding and can relate to that message. Is it her vision of working-class Americans, and how they are the backbone of our economy? Again, I think MANY Americans can relate to that. I don't see where "transforming" these visions are beneficial to Palin or America. It's unclear exactly what you mean, and I think that was the point of this thread. We keep hearing you people throw out generalized statements regarding Palin's 'inadequacies' but you just don't have anything substantive to back your assertions. It all seems to boil down to this stigma placed on her by the mainstream media, socialist communists, and GOP elites, and nothing more.

The fact that a John McCain would pick Palin to run as his VP, tells me she is certainly not a right-wing extremist. McCain is probably the most moderate conservative in Congress, other than the frauds like Olympia Snow and Susan Collins. He has certainly never been viewed as 'extreme' by the left OR right. The fact that Palin took on her own party in Alaska, tells me she is not a partisan, and not interested in politics-as-usual leadership. Not really what you would consider 'extreme right wing' by any stretch. She does believe in God... but so does Obama, or so he claims! Most everyone in America believes in God, so that doesn't seem to be something to 'disqualify' Palin over.

Still.... There is something eating at you guys... something about Palin you dislike or fear, that isn't coming out.... could it be that she is a beautiful woman, and this scares your bigoted ass because beautiful women can't possibly be intelligent enough for the oval office? I really think that plays a factor in this sentiment toward Palin, whether you admit it or not. In fact, I fully understand why you wouldn't want to admit a stereotypical chauvinistic prejudice like that... what would your 'hip' friends think?

 

[Adam Weinberg]

I like Palin as a candidate but don't lover her. I agree a little bit too with the faux-conservatism that you referenced because she comes across to me more at times as a populist without real conservative/libertarian economic credentials. Now she still has time to show her stuff if she is thinking of running for the highest office but you are right she is going to have to appeal to more than just the right-wing if she has aspirations for winning and right now that's all her appeal is too.

My issue with her populism is what are her principles behind it? How deep are her convictions?

I think you've summed it up very well. And she'll get her chance to prove herself or redefine herself. I'm just going with what I've seen so far and the way it played out with her as a Vice Presidential candidate and a national figure/celebrity.

Even though I'd naturally gravitate to being in the tank for somebody with the consistency and record of Gary Johnson, I'm going to be giving every Republican candidate a fair shot.

Even the ones that made me want to ralph in 2008 (Romney). It's a different time and I'm interested to see how they will all mature to the new circumstances.

If my mind can be changed about Sarah Palin in a significant way, and it would take some time, I'm sure a lot of other not rabidly partisan people could be changed too.

 

[Adam Weinberg]

Let's be clear, you are guilty of doing precisely what the author of the thread indicated. You "don't like" Palin, but you are struggling with the actual REASONS. I want to hear specifics! What skill is required by the President of the United States, which Palin lacks? I guarantee, whatever you come up with, the same can be said for Obama. In fact, the same could have been said for Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter.

What specific aspect of Palin's "vision" needs "transforming?" Is it the understanding that government is not the solution, but often the problem? I think a LOT of people in this country, share that very same understanding and can relate to that message. Is it her vision of working-class Americans, and how they are the backbone of our economy? Again, I think MANY Americans can relate to that. I don't see where "transforming" these visions are beneficial to Palin or America. It's unclear exactly what you mean, and I think that was the point of this thread. We keep hearing you people throw out generalized statements regarding Palin's 'inadequacies' but you just don't have anything substantive to back your assertions. It all seems to boil down to this stigma placed on her by the mainstream media, socialist communists, and GOP elites, and nothing more.

The fact that a John McCain would pick Palin to run as his VP, tells me she is certainly not a right-wing extremist. McCain is probably the most moderate conservative in Congress, other than the frauds like Olympia Snow and Susan Collins. He has certainly never been viewed as 'extreme' by the left OR right. The fact that Palin took on her own party in Alaska, tells me she is not a partisan, and not interested in politics-as-usual leadership. Not really what you would consider 'extreme right wing' by any stretch. She does believe in God... but so does Obama, or so he claims! Most everyone in America believes in God, so that doesn't seem to be something to 'disqualify' Palin over.

Still.... There is something eating at you guys... something about Palin you dislike or fear, that isn't coming out.... could it be that she is a beautiful woman, and this scares your bigoted ass because beautiful women can't possibly be intelligent enough for the oval office? I really think that plays a factor in this sentiment toward Palin, whether you admit it or not. In fact, I fully understand why you wouldn't want to admit a stereotypical chauvinistic prejudice like that... what would your 'hip' friends think?

That's really silly to accuse me of chauvinism.

If anything, I'm being egalitarian and criticizing her on issues unrelated to her persona or gender. It is the fact that she is heavily reliant on persona in absence of substance that is a problem and one that you can easily see in an opponent but not your own selected leader.

The reality is that you're the one playing the gender card here. A man with Sarah Palin's qualifications, stated views, and record would not be taken seriously for President. You're just applying a slightly more assertive tone to that same tired Sarah Palin victimhood line.

To give credit to where it's due for the current President, while maybe his misguided supporters said he was given a hard time for his color, he's always denied it. What makes Sarah Palin and her supporters think she will not have to be judged on her own strengths and weaknesses and can rest on a similar crutch?

I'm also recognizing the reality that in her current state she offers the movement nothing and she will likely lose. And then, even if she won, there is the issue of whether she offers anything new from what failed Republicans in the 2000s.

Being anti-Obama and against his proposals does not automatically mean you're for limited government. We can debate all day what is a limited government and what's not and where traditionalists and libertarians disagree, but what's clear is that the "compassionate conservatives" enabled one of the largest expansions of the national debt and have additionally and unintentionally set the precedent for Democrats to make it much, much worse.

In that respect, her affiliation with McCain actually frightens me more than it reassures me. As much as I believe 2008 McCain would have in some small ways been a better President than 2008 George W. Bush, I also believe that in practice the results would have been largely identical.