The Single Payer Scam

[Robo]

Yeah.....sure......we'll take your word, for all that, Goober.

You don't have to take my word for anything Fuddy. Just make a rational informed argument in opposition. Oh! That's right, you can't think for yourself, huh? If you can't cut and paste somebody else's shit you're out of ammo, huh Fuddy?

 

[Robo]

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/comparing-health-care-in-canada-to-the-us/


But these statistics simply don’t support the notion that universal, single-payer health care is crippling the health of Canadian citizens compared with that of U.S. citizens.




http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/FactCheck_Health_Care.htm

http://www.pnhp.org/

Your site left out the tax bite for Canadians, and here's what Wiki had to say about waiting times.

“Waiting Your Turn

"Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada[20] is the Institute's annual report on hospital waiting times in Canada, based on a nationwide survey of physicians and health care practitioners. The twentieth annual survey, released December 2010, found that the total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist, averaged across 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, had risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010.[20]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Thanks Fudd! It's easy! All I have to do is post truthful evidence.

.....That always seems to get you.....

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Your site left out the tax bite for Canadians, and here's what Wiki had to say about waiting times.

“Waiting Your Turn

"Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada[20] is the Institute's annual report on hospital waiting times in Canada, based on a nationwide survey of physicians and health care practitioners. The twentieth annual survey, released December 2010, found that the total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist, averaged across 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, had risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010.[20]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute

Nice TRY.....GOOBER!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute#Controversies

 

[Robo]

That always seems to get you.....

Where's your opposing argument Fuddy?

 

[Leonthecat]

Nice TRY.....GOOBER!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute#Controversies

Poor Lil' Bobo

 

[Robo]

Nice TRY GOOBER

No Problem Fuddy!

Here’s what the lefties at the Huffington Post have to say about Canada’s healthcare.

“Many Canadians and commentators in other countries lauding Canada's government-dominated approach to health care refer to Canadian health care as "free." If health care actually were free, the relatively poor performance of the health care system might not seem all that bad. But the reality is that the Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light.

In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is not small, much less free.

And the bill is getting bigger over time. Before inflation, the cost of public health care insurance went up by 53.3 per cent over the last decade. That's more than 1.5 times faster than the cost of shelter (34.2 per cent) and clothing (32.4 per cent), and more than twice as fast as the cost of food (23.4 per cent). It's also nearly 1.5 times faster than the growth in average income over the decade (36.3 per cent).

And what did these substantial funds buy?

Despite talk of wait times reduction initiatives (backed with substantial funding), Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery. Access to physicians and medical technologies in Canada lags behind many other developed nations. And things have improved little since 2003. For example, the total wait time in 2012 (17.7 weeks from GP to treatment) is every bit as long it was back then.

Don't be fooled by claims that health spending isn't high enough or that transfers for health care to the provinces have been insufficient. Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population (older people require more care).

Canadians aren't suffering from health care underfunding; they're suffering from health care underperformance.

And it gets worse. Changing demographics mean Canada's health care system has a funding gap of $537 billion. While health care is costly and underperforming today, in the absence of reform the future will either hold large increases in taxes, further reductions in the availability of medical services, further erosion of non-health care government services, or all of the above.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html

 

[Robo]

Nice TRY GOOBER

My pleasure Fuddy!

"Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada[20] is the Institute's annual report on hospital waiting times in Canada, based on a nationwide survey of physicians and health care practitioners. The twentieth annual survey, released December 2010, found that the total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist, averaged across 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, had risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010.[20]”

 

[Leonthecat]

My pleasure Fuddy!

"Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada[20] is the Institute's annual report on hospital waiting times in Canada, based on a nationwide survey of physicians and health care practitioners. The twentieth annual survey, released December 2010, found that the total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist, averaged across 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, had risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010.[20]”

You are truly retarded
Poor Lil' Bobo.

 

[CFM]

hey asshole,


its better for the world if people go into medicine to help people instead of doing it for money

Are you saying they don't help people?

 

[Truth Detector]

Single-Payer System: Why It Would Ruin US Healthcare

Many doctors believe that the real problem with the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is that it didn't go far enough—that what it should have been, if it had been politically possible, was a single-payer system that extended health insurance to all Americans and would have benefited doctors and patients alike.

However, a recent Medscape article looked at the problems inherent in a single-payer system, dubbed "Medicare-for-all," and identified many that could be significant.


One critic noted that single-payer systems in Canada, the United Kingdom, and other developed countries have to impose strict central planning. Rather than leave healthcare choices up to individual physicians, their patients, and free-market forces that could balance supply with demand, the government sets the rule. This would inevitably result in shortages of some services and gluts of others.

And with no competitors, central planners could arbitrarily decide what physician payments should be. Studies of countries with universal coverage show that their doctors earn up to 70% less than doctors here.

Another disturbing aspect of a single-payer system is the lack of competition among payers, which would reduce physicians' control over standards of care and reimbursement. In a multipayer system, doctors can choose which insurers to work with—even opting out of Medicare and Medicaid, as doctors are increasingly choosing to do. They couldn't in a pure single-payer system.

Critics also point to waiting lists so long in the much-vaunted Canadian single-payer system that some Canadians choose to come to the United States or other countries to receive timely care. Britain's National Health Service, often held up as model of how single-payer can work, is plagued by chronic problems in the quality of care that put some patients at life-threatening risk. The closest analogue we have to a single-payer system here, the Veterans Health Administration, has been rocked by scandals about untimely access and is staffed by too few doctors, who, one critic charges, "work shorter hours just punching a clock."

Continue Reading at http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/855271

The irony for economically challenged doctors is that a single payer system would hit them hardest.

 

[Truth Detector]

geee

you mean that greedy fucks wont want to go into medicine anymore

The greediest people on the planet are the corrupt politicians you want to empower. You're just too retarded and beyond help to comprehend the obvious.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yeah.....sure......we'll take your word, for all that, Goober.

Irony from a goober.

 

[Truth Detector]

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/comparing-health-care-in-canada-to-the-us/

But these statistics simply don’t support the notion that universal, single-payer health care is crippling the health of Canadian citizens compared with that of U.S. citizens.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/FactCheck_Health_Care.htm

http://www.pnhp.org/

Yep; when in doubt about REAL facts, one can always find a leftist blogs that will support the asinine notion that Government managed healthcare is cheap, affordable and comes at little or no cost. LMAO

 

[Truth Detector]

You are truly retarded
Poor Lil' Bobo.

More irony from a REAL retard. Buy a mirror dumbfuck.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Canada, the land of lefty progressive-ism where they watch while America polices the world for them and provides the western world's and the United Nation's armed forces and international security at the expense of the American taxpayer. Good Ole Canada where the population is brainwashed to enjoy taxation to provide healthcare for the loafers and losers within. Canada where folks of monetary means and connections in the United States go to the United States for critical operations where the lesser of Canada's population dies waiting for those same operations. Canada, where the government conspires with BIG Pharma to sell drugs in Canada at a fraction of the cost to Americans, so to sell to border town Americans while American taxpayers foot the bill for the FDA's outrageous regulations that drive up the cost of drug approval and eliminate smaller drug companies out of business, while Canadians watch and enjoy the benefits provided by America's taxpayers. Good old Canada where the best doctors leave to doctor in America and receive just compensation.

Yeah.....sure......we'll take your word, for all that, Goober.

You don't have to take my word for anything Fuddy. Just make a rational informed argument in opposition.

Not a prob.....when you start providing facts/references.....to support your (typically) sophomoric screeds.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

 

[Mr. Shaman]

 

[Mr. Shaman]

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Here, ya' go, Robo.....