The U.S. national debt exceeded $33 trillion for the first time ever

[IBDaMann]

Congress spends money, not Presidents...or do you think it doesn't work that way?

It doesn't work that way. The Executive branch spends the money ... exactly how Congress lays it out in the budget. People in the Executive branch who spend money contrary to its Congressional designation (called "mixing colors of money") ... go to prison.

Congress creates the budget and decides how the money is to be spent. The Executive branch then spends the money per the Congressional budget.

 

[Into the Night]

Look at how bent out of shape you're getting just by me informing you of the federal budget process.

It always comes down to the President, since POTUS is who executes the law.

You weren't paying attention all those years ago when you were taught how the government works.

Or maybe you were paying attention but just forgot it because you smoke a lot of crack and you have long COVID.

See Article I of the Constitution of the United States, moron.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The stupid game is yours.

You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy. You obviously ignore the Constitution of the United States. The House drives the budget, not the President.

Trump's effect on the economy was very positive. The government budget is not the economy.

Trump is not a Democrat.

You are obviously confused between government spending and the economy.

It's you. Illiteracy. A contraction uses an apostrophe.

Biden does not determine the budget. The House does. Biden's policies HAVE affected the economy in negative ways.

Government spending is NOT the economy.

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[Dutch Uncle]

See Article I of the Constitution of the United States, moron.

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[Into the Night]

It doesn't work that way. The Executive branch spends the money ... exactly how Congress lays it out in the budget. People in the Executive branch who spend money contrary to its Congressional designation (called "mixing colors of money") ... go to prison.

Congress creates the budget and decides how the money is to be spent. The Executive branch then spends the money per the Congressional budget.

The Executive branch doesn't even need to spend the money allocated to it by Congress, returning the excess to the Treasury.

 

[Into the Night]

And worse, in the first 3 years of the Trump term the same derps were enthusiastically cheering him juicing the economy with cheap debt, with Trumps insistence that interest rates stay low, and then cutting gov't revenues with massive tax cuts.


That created an easy to see sugar high bubble in the economy that was doomed to collapse and need to be paid down later (Republi'cans' always want the Dems to do that parr).


And then when the Trump decisions clearly harm the economy later, as they did in his 4th year, they want to switch and pretend it is COngress and not Trump who was making all those calls.


Ask any of those same Derps if they will take back any credit they give Trump for those first 3 years? Many of them still tout it.

Trump does not create debt. No President creates debt. CONGRESS DOES.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Trump does not create debt. No President creates debt. CONGRESS DOES.

Who signs the budget bill, Sybil?

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[Into the Night]

Sure they do...they are the ones who sign the budgets and continuing resolutions.

The President can't sign a non-existent bill.

 

[Into the Night]

Who signs the budget bill, Sybil?

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You don't know?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You don't know?

I do, but you clearly don't, Sybil.

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[IBDaMann]

The Executive branch doesn't even need to spend the money allocated to it by Congress, returning the excess to the Treasury.

There's an unfortunate truth here that would change immediately if I were king for a day. It would be ideal for the government to be a frugal steward of the People's money and to return all the money that did not need to be spent.

Sadly, there are almost none who do, because anyone who does not spend every single penny allotted to him, and who returns money too late for someone else to spend it, either will be fired or will be reprimanded in a career-ending sort of way. I have seen many instances of this and it never ends well.

The root problem is Congress' laziness and their unwillingness to do any sort of work. We supposedly send our representatives to Capitol Hill to make budgets for us, but that is just too much work for them so they always use the preceding year's budget as a starting point that they merely tweak, without ever overhauling and updating the budget overall as one integrated package. As a result, they rote mechanically give everyone what they received the year prior, often plus an additional percentage for inflation and anticipated expenditures. Hence, the budget simply grows and grows and grows. Any organization that returned money unspent last year obviously doesn't need it this year. Nobody in the government likes this prospect, so if there is "end-of-year" money then expect frenetic orders for spend-plans and already-filled-out purchase orders.

I remember two people in particular who gave sizeable chunks of money back, but they both had plans; they knew they were going to be called in and reprimanded, but when that happened, they each announced their decisions to retire.

 

[Into the Night]

I do, but you clearly don't, Sybil.

Paradox, Sock. You say you do and you don't at the same time.

 

[Into the Night]

There's an unfortunate truth here that would change immediately if I were king for a day. It would be ideal for the government to be a frugal steward of the People's money and to return all the money that did not need to be spent.

Sadly, there are almost none who do, because anyone who does not spend every single penny allotted to him, and who returns money too late for someone else to spend it, either will be fired or will be reprimanded in a career-ending sort of way. I have seen many instances of this and it never ends well.

Oddly enough, if Trump is elected, he is immune to this problem, at least as far as the Constitution goes.

The root problem is Congress' laziness and their unwillingness to do any sort of work.

This is part of the problem, but the root problem is that the success metric of government is not profit, it's to justify itself. When it comes to money, that department must spend it all to justify a bigger budget for next year. If it doesn't, that department can't really justify a bigger budget.

We supposedly send our representatives to Capitol Hill to make budgets for us, but that is just too much work for them so they always use the preceding year's budget as a starting point that they merely tweak, without ever overhauling and updating the budget overall as one integrated package. As a result, they rote mechanically give everyone what they received the year prior, often plus an additional percentage for inflation and anticipated expenditures. Hence, the budget simply grows and grows and grows. Any organization that returned money unspent last year obviously doesn't need it this year. Nobody in the government likes this prospect, so if there is "end-of-year" money then expect frenetic orders for spend-plans and already-filled-out purchase orders.

That's right.

I remember two people in particular who gave sizeable chunks of money back, but they both had plans; they knew they were going to be called in and reprimanded, but when that happened, they each announced their decisions to retire.

And this is why Trump, if elected, is immune to this. He will be on his 2nd term. He will retire from the Presidency after that.

He can simply NOT give his departments the money budgeted for them in the first place, returning excess to the Treasury. The departments themselves and Congress will bellyache, but they have no choice.
Trump would be in the unique position that no other President would dare do.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Paradox, Sock. You say you do and you don't at the same time.

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[ptif219]

The pandemic did not start in 2017 you nit.

Each and every year, all Trump did was increase deficits and debts at a record level. That started from the very onset of him taking over in 2016.

I guess none of that was because of Democrats in congress

 

[QP!]

I guess none of that was because of Democrats in congress

So you agree Democrats in congress should get the credit for the economy in Trumps first 3 years of power and not Trump as you guys used to trumpet and pretend.

Nice.

 

[Into the Night]

So you agree Democrats in congress should get the credit for the economy in Trumps first 3 years of power and not Trump as you guys used to trumpet and pretend.

Nice.

Government debt is not the economy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Government debt is not the economy.

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[ptif219]

So you agree Democrats in congress should get the credit for the economy in Trumps first 3 years of power and not Trump as you guys used to trumpet and pretend.

Nice.

Now Trump fixed Obama's mistakes and got rid of many Obama regulations that hurt the economy

 

[Into the Night]

Now Trump fixed Obama's mistakes and got rid of many Obama regulations that hurt the economy

QP! seems to think the debt is the economy.