The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

[Hawkeye10]

We got involved in the 1990's, when we joined with NATO countries and Russia to guarantee Ukrainian independence in exchange for giving up their nukes. Tums out they should have kept them, and no Russian invasions would have ever happened. Russian thugs only get all belligerent n shit with countries they can bully, like all gangster thugs. Of course, you and the other Ivans can't admit that, you need these other stupid ridiculous narratives to finger each other's asses with.

Interesting that you offer this fevered dream as America threatens Iran.

I have already explained in the last few days why you are wrong, why the Russian warheads were returned to Russia ASAP.

 

[Scott]

Ukraine minerals, sure. As I've said previously, I've yet to see any solid evidence that this "pee tape" actually exists. I strongly suspect it's just one more piece of Russiagate:

FBI still hiding key Russiagate details

Interesting article just published on Aaron Mate's substack today. For those who haven't heard of Aaron Mate, here's his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Maté Quoting the introduction to Aaron Maté's article below: ** FBI still hiding key Russiagate details, newly released docu...

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I think there is a pee tape! I saw Trump warning his boys that
"The Russians have cameras and microphones everywhere.

Lol . I acknowledge that there is perhaps a "pee tape". I think we might agree that it's not that important. Far more important is all the people that could avoid dying if the war in Ukraine were to end sooner rather than later.

 

[Scott]

We got involved in the 1990's, when we joined with NATO countries and Russia to guarantee Ukrainian independence in exchange for giving up their nukes. Tums out they should have kept them, and no Russian invasions would have ever happened.

I believe that Ukraine didn't have the codes to actually use them, but regardless, Russia was never going to let Ukraine keep them, just as the United States was never going to let Cuba keep Russian nukes during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The war would have just started then rather than in 2022. Had it, I think it would have been a cake walk for Russia, as I doubt Ukraine had the military it had amassed by 2022.

As to Russian's military operation in Ukraine, the main reason for that was western meddling in Ukraine's politics, starting with the Euromaidan coup back in 2014 and continuing into its civil war that lasted right up until Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. As I've mentioned previously, Ukraine had just started a renewed assault on the Donbass region literally days before Putin decided to start his military operation.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I believe that Ukraine didn't have the codes to actually use them, but regardless, Russia was never going to let Ukraine keep them, just as the United States was never going to let Cuba keep Russian nukes during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The war would have just started then rather than in 2022. Had it, I think it would have been a cake walk for Russia, as I doubt Ukraine had the military it had amassed by 2022.

As to Russian's military operation in Ukraine, the main reason for that was western meddling in Ukraine's politics, starting with the Euromaidan coup back in 2014 and continuing into its civil war that lasted right up until Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. As I've mentioned previously, Ukraine had just started a renewed assault on the Donbass region literally days before Putin decided to start his military operation.

Did not have the codes, never could have gotten the codes, and had neither the expertise nor the money to store them safely.....everyone agreed that they had to get to Russia ASAP....Ukraine was given some words on paper to make it easier for them to do what they agreed had to be done.

 

[Hawkeye10]

"We need to get these to Russia that is safety ASAP for the good of humanity" reminds me of more sane times.

For instance we never once refused to talk to the Soviets, but for 3.5 years we decided that talking to the Russians is appeasement and refused to do it.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes applies here.

 

[Althea]

I know. trumptards are like "Lucy and the football". "No way can he do us harm again.. he's learned from last time, right?".

It's so much worse than the first time, due mainly to the fact no current Republican has the balls to stand up to his insanity".

Every GOP interview praising trump reminds me of a hostage video!

It's much worse than the first time because no matter what he does, he doesn't have to worry about blowback during the next election.