The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

EdwinA said:
We got involved in the 1990's, when we joined with NATO countries and Russia to guarantee Ukrainian independence in exchange for giving up their nukes. Tums out they should have kept them, and no Russian invasions would have ever happened. Russian thugs only get all belligerent n shit with countries they can bully, like all gangster thugs. Of course, you and the other Ivans can't admit that, you need these other stupid ridiculous narratives to finger each other's asses with.
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Interesting that you offer this fevered dream as America threatens Iran.

I have already explained in the last few days why you are wrong, why the Russian warheads were returned to Russia ASAP.
 
Margot said:
Scott said:
Ukraine minerals, sure. As I've said previously, I've yet to see any solid evidence that this "pee tape" actually exists. I strongly suspect it's just one more piece of Russiagate:
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I think there is a pee tape! I saw Trump warning his boys that
"The Russians have cameras and microphones everywhere.
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Lol :-p. I acknowledge that there is perhaps a "pee tape". I think we might agree that it's not that important. Far more important is all the people that could avoid dying if the war in Ukraine were to end sooner rather than later.
 
EdwinA said:
We got involved in the 1990's, when we joined with NATO countries and Russia to guarantee Ukrainian independence in exchange for giving up their nukes. Tums out they should have kept them, and no Russian invasions would have ever happened.
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I believe that Ukraine didn't have the codes to actually use them, but regardless, Russia was never going to let Ukraine keep them, just as the United States was never going to let Cuba keep Russian nukes during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The war would have just started then rather than in 2022. Had it, I think it would have been a cake walk for Russia, as I doubt Ukraine had the military it had amassed by 2022.

As to Russian's military operation in Ukraine, the main reason for that was western meddling in Ukraine's politics, starting with the Euromaidan coup back in 2014 and continuing into its civil war that lasted right up until Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. As I've mentioned previously, Ukraine had just started a renewed assault on the Donbass region literally days before Putin decided to start his military operation.
 
Scott said:
I believe that Ukraine didn't have the codes to actually use them, but regardless, Russia was never going to let Ukraine keep them, just as the United States was never going to let Cuba keep Russian nukes during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The war would have just started then rather than in 2022. Had it, I think it would have been a cake walk for Russia, as I doubt Ukraine had the military it had amassed by 2022.

As to Russian's military operation in Ukraine, the main reason for that was western meddling in Ukraine's politics, starting with the Euromaidan coup back in 2014 and continuing into its civil war that lasted right up until Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. As I've mentioned previously, Ukraine had just started a renewed assault on the Donbass region literally days before Putin decided to start his military operation.
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Did not have the codes, never could have gotten the codes, and had neither the expertise nor the money to store them safely.....everyone agreed that they had to get to Russia ASAP....Ukraine was given some words on paper to make it easier for them to do what they agreed had to be done.
 
"We need to get these to Russia that is safety ASAP for the good of humanity" reminds me of more sane times.

For instance we never once refused to talk to the Soviets, but for 3.5 years we decided that talking to the Russians is appeasement and refused to do it.
 
LurchAddams said:
I know. trumptards are like "Lucy and the football". "No way can he do us harm again.. he's learned from last time, right?".

It's so much worse than the first time, due mainly to the fact no current Republican has the balls to stand up to his insanity".

Every GOP interview praising trump reminds me of a hostage video!
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It's much worse than the first time because no matter what he does, he doesn't have to worry about blowback during the next election.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Interesting that you offer this fevered dream as America threatens Iran.

I have already explained in the last few days why you are wrong, why the Russian warheads were returned to Russia ASAP.
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Iran has been threatening the U.S. and its allies since 1979, and is still attacking our allies even today, so screw them.

You've never explained anything, just babbled whatever Putin's propaganda organs tell you to. Russia's word on anything is worth less than nothing, and soon Trumps will change his mind and face reality. If Trump doesn't, then NATO will take care of Putin's imperial fantasies without him. Pretty obvious stuff, and your babbling will do nothing to change it.
 
Althea said:
It's much worse than the first time because no matter what he does, he doesn't have to worry about blowback during the next election.
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Not as long as you tards keep nominating sleazy racist halfwits and criminals, true enough. Congratulates yourselves for getting Trump elected, lol dumbasses.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"We need to get these to Russia that is safety ASAP for the good of humanity" reminds me of more sane times.

For instance we never once refused to talk to the Soviets, but for 3.5 years we decided that talking to the Russians is appeasement and refused to do it.
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lol weird spin on reactions to Putin's chronic breaking of agreements and treaties; hasn't honored a single one since seizing office.

But you already know that and just deliberately lying, as usual.
 
Scott said:
I believe that Ukraine didn't have the codes to actually use them, but regardless, Russia was never going to let Ukraine keep them, just as the United States was never going to let Cuba keep Russian nukes during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The war would have just started then rather than in 2022. Had it, I think it would have been a cake walk for Russia, as I doubt Ukraine had the military it had amassed by 2022.

As to Russian's military operation in Ukraine, the main reason for that was western meddling in Ukraine's politics, starting with the Euromaidan coup back in 2014 and continuing into its civil war that lasted right up until Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. As I've mentioned previously, Ukraine had just started a renewed assault on the Donbass region literally days before Putin decided to start his military operation.
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lol Russia wasn't in any position to do a damn thing about it. They wouldn't be doing a damn thing to Ukraine today if Ukraine still had them. Again you just babble utter nonsense. As for Donbass, Putin invaded because his proxy terrorist gangs in Crimea were failing miserably in their attempts at a coup, is all, and Obama gave him the green light. You 'mentioned' a load of crap, as usual.
 
Scott said:
Lol :-p. I acknowledge that there is perhaps a "pee tape". I think we might agree that it's not that important. Far more important is all the people that could avoid dying if the war in Ukraine were to end sooner rather than later.
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That's probably trivial to Trump, compared to being embarrassed by a pee tape!
 
Margot said:
Scott said:
I acknowledge that there is perhaps a "pee tape". I think we might agree that it's not that important. Far more important is all the people that could avoid dying if the war in Ukraine were to end sooner rather than later.
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That's probably trivial to Trump, compared to being embarrassed by a pee tape!
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Alright, fine, I certainly can't prove that the only reason Trump is trying to find a peace deal with Russia is because he's mortally afraid of this alleged "pee tape". I just hope you consider that there might be other reasons, such as trying to avoid World War III, as he himself has said.
 
Scott said:
Alright, fine, I certainly can't prove that the only reason Trump is trying to find a peace deal with Russia is because he's mortally afraid of this alleged "pee tape". I just hope you consider that there might be other reasons, such as trying to avoid World War III, as he himself has said.
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There won't be a WW 3
 
Scott said:
This 30 day ceasefire idea was Europe's, not Russia's.
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Actually, trump's idea, not Europe's or Russia's. I think he was copying Biden's confidence building idea in Gaza, but it made little sense in Ukraine. Whatever else you say about trump, he does not understand the basics.

Scott said:
Russia wants a permanent peace.
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Russia wants the permanent peace of the grave for Ukraine.

I real peace agreement would start with a ceasefire without preconditions or expiration, and then allow negotiations toward a peace agreement. The combat could end whenever Putin wants it to end.

Scott said:
Putin may want many things, but it seems that the only hard lines he's really put out is that he's not giving back most if not all of the territory that Russia currently holds. Seeing as how Russia is gaining territory every day, I strongly believe that Ukraine's best option is to get to the negotiating sooner rather than later.
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Putin demands the territory that he could not win in combat, for a 30 day end to the invasion... Followed by a continuation. That would put Russian forces on the right hand side of the Dneiper, which would make them almost impossible to stop.
 
Margot said:
There won't be a WW 3
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I certainly hope not. Surely you agree that precautions should be taken so avoid such a fate? When viewed in that light, perhaps Trump's wishes to get a peace agreement with Russia may make sense regardless of whether or not there is a "pee tape"?
 
Scott said:
I certainly hope not. Surely you agree that precautions should be taken so avoid such a fate? When viewed in that light, perhaps Trump's wishes to get a peace agreement with Russia may make sense regardless of whether or not there is a "pee tape"?
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Our fate is " The Great and dreadful Day of the Lord"!
Malachi 4:5
 
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