The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

[Scott]

Russia has the best army on the planet....which gets better each day.

Currently kicking NATO ASS.

Agreed, though at present, NATO nations are mostly acting as financiers, not actual soldiers in the fight. Let's hope it stays that way. Not because changing that would change the outcome barring a nuclear war, but because it'd reduce the amount of deaths involved.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Yeah. I'm guessing you haven't seen this Severance TV show I've started to watch. It's pretty abstract in some ways, but I think it's basically showing the way western society's going. Also the best way to get through it. It reminds me of a line from the illuminatus book series trilogy. Something along the lines that fear of death is the beginning of slavery and overcoming this fear is its end. Or to quote from another trilogy (a movie series this time):
The voice of the lake:
Why do men rebel?

Wise man:
To find happiness, in this life, or the next.

I have not watched TV in real time since bout 2010....and I watch almost nothing from Hollywood post 2017....So No.

 

[Hawkeye10]

RT is saying that Kirill Dmitriev is not only in Washington, but he did meetings Wed.

Thats Interesting.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think we can agree, American wars worldwide will end in only one of 2 ways- either the U.S. finally realizes it can't bully everyone into obedience and finds a better way to live or it takes everyone down with it. I think Russia's smart enough to realize this and it's why they play the political game in such away to avoid the second option. To Trump's credit, he doesn't seem so keen on nuclear annihilation, so I think there's hope.

The West is dying, American power is going away....the question is how many humans are killed in the process.

Does the planet get incinerated?

 

[Hawkeye10]

I'd agree, if one of the powers of having 2 deuces was annihilating everything. It's a pretty shitty power to have, but it can't be ignored.

I dont understand this post.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I just in the last few days heard someone say that the reason that America has turned Evil.......how we barely even pretend now to be anything but warPigging thugs.....is that Elites are not complete morons....they sense that this Entire Son of a Bitch ( the West, the American Empire) is going down....and they are panicked.

 

[Hawkeye10]

That the Han have long memories, and they are not the only ones, is reason to panic.

 

[Scott]

Says that the Russians are still laughing from reading the NYT's piece.

Well, I'm not sure if they're laughing, but they're certainly paying attention:

NYT reveals ‘secret history’ of US meddling in Ukraine conflict

The US has been engaged in an “extraordinary” secretive partnership with Ukraine to help it fight Russia, a NYT investigation claims

www.rt.com

NYT report confirms Pentagon’s ‘open secret’ role in Ukrainian ops – expert

A NYT investigation uncovers the Pentagon’s deep involvement in Ukraine’s military strategies against Russia, confirming expert analyses

www.rt.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

Well, I'm not sure if they're laughing, but they're certainly paying attention:

NYT reveals ‘secret history’ of US meddling in Ukraine conflict

The US has been engaged in an “extraordinary” secretive partnership with Ukraine to help it fight Russia, a NYT investigation claims

www.rt.com

NYT report confirms Pentagon’s ‘open secret’ role in Ukrainian ops – expert

A NYT investigation uncovers the Pentagon’s deep involvement in Ukraine’s military strategies against Russia, confirming expert analyses

www.rt.com

Laughing their asses off is the opposite of taking us seriously.

 

[Hawkeye10]

How seriously does one take a country that loses all of its wars, and just committed one of the worst military blunders in all of history?

 

[Scott]

Yeah. I'm guessing you haven't seen this Severance TV show I've started to watch. It's pretty abstract in some ways, but I think it's basically showing the way western society's going. Also the best way to get through it. It reminds me of a line from the illuminatus book series trilogy. Something along the lines that fear of death is the beginning of slavery and overcoming this fear is its end. Or to quote from another trilogy (a movie series this time):
The voice of the lake:
Why do men rebel?

Wise man:
To find happiness, in this life, or the next.

I have not watched TV in real time since bout 2010....and I watch almost nothing from Hollywood post 2017....So No.

Well, I think Severance might be worth your time, but perhaps not. The first book of the Illuminatus trilogy, The Eye in the Pyramid, was published the year I was born, 1975, and the 3 books came out in a single volume by 1984, which I find a little funny considering a book and several films with the title of that year.

The Mahabharata film series came out in 1989, so again, not something that was made very recently, but quite good in my view.

 

[Scott]

The West is dying, American power is going away....the question is how many humans are killed in the process.

Does the planet get incinerated?

Exactly. Let's all hope that's not what happens.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The Pentagon has been warning the WH for bout 2 years "Dont go to war with Iran, we might not be able to win it, and if we do we will take so many casualties that we will lose the American people".

Now the Wall Street Mafia/CIA thinks they have a plan that will work.

We'll Maybe See.

 

[Scott]

I'd agree, if one of the powers of having 2 deuces was annihilating everything. It's a pretty shitty power to have, but it can't be ignored.

I dont understand this post.

Just saying what we both agree on- the U.S. has the power to annihilate pretty much everything. It's not exactly a very nice power, but it's one that shouldn't be ignored by anyone who'd like to see most life on earth continue.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Exactly. Let's all hope that's not what happens.

Empires go away all the time....but it has never happened with nuclear weapons....we dont know how this is going to go.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Just saying what we both agree on- the U.S. has the power to annihilate pretty much everything. It's not exactly a very nice power, but it's one that shouldn't be ignored by anyone who'd like to see most life on earth continue.

Our conventional military is very weak.....a shell of what it was in 1995 and that force had major problems that we got away with because we never went to war with a peer.

If a conventional war starts with a peer then we very quickly get to the day that we must admit that we lost or go nuclear.

After watching what we have done in Ukraine which do you figure it is?

 

[Hawkeye10]

BTW re my Wall Street Mafia label for the intel services someone on my grapevine the other day said "Pay attention to how in the West political leadership spots are increasingly going to the bankers, this cant be good".

Fair Point.

 

[Scott]

I just in the last few days heard someone say that the reason that America has turned Evil.......how we barely even pretend now to be anything but warPigging thugs.....is that Elites are not complete morons....they sense that this Entire Son of a Bitch ( the West, the American Empire) is going down....and they are panicked.

Yep. It reminds me of a line in a film that I really liked called The Dark Crystal. In one of the first scenes, the evil emperor lies dying, but even in the throes of death, he manages to fend of would be replacements and says "I am still Emperor!", before finally succumbing to the inevitable. So will it be with the American Empire.

 

[Scott]

Well, I'm not sure if they're laughing, but they're certainly paying attention:

NYT reveals ‘secret history’ of US meddling in Ukraine conflict

The US has been engaged in an “extraordinary” secretive partnership with Ukraine to help it fight Russia, a NYT investigation claims

www.rt.com

NYT report confirms Pentagon’s ‘open secret’ role in Ukrainian ops – expert

A NYT investigation uncovers the Pentagon’s deep involvement in Ukraine’s military strategies against Russia, confirming expert analyses

www.rt.com

Laughing their asses off is the opposite of taking us seriously.

Yes, but I don't think that Russia's doing that. I think they see the U.S. like a reasonable person would see a mad man with a gun. Yes, he's mad, but he's also got a gun and so you have to try to reason with the fellow.

 

[Scott]

The Pentagon has been warning the WH for bout 2 years "Dont go to war with Iran, we might not be able to win it, and if we do we will take so many casualties that we will lose the American people".

Now the Wall Street Mafia/CIA thinks they have a plan that will work.

We'll Maybe See.

Yep, the madhouse continues. All we can do is hope that calmer heads prevail.