The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam
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There was a war that never happened. It was the WWIII where the USSR swept over the northern plains of Germany. Everyone spent a half century planning for that war. Almost all our weapons systems were made for that war. It was a constant part of our lives, and never happened.
In JROTC, I also planned for that war. I was not even an amateur, but I was at the beginning of training. And the war that never happened was what everyone was training to plan.
The plains of northern Germany extend into Poland, and then down into Ukraine. Even though Ukraine is further south than northern Germany, it is also further inland which evens things out. It is almost the same temperature, and climate as northern Germany. Ukraine is not getting as many NATO weapons as NATO would have had in Germany, and Russia is not as strong as the USSR used to be, but there are definite similarities in the weapons on both sides.
I do not like that this war exists, but it is answering some of the questions about the war that never happened. We are finally testing all these weapons systems, and strategies in a similar war. It is just fascinating.
Neoclitorus
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yeah.
Walt is the biggest douche on the forum.
you may be second biggest douche.
be proud.
Scott
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Hey Walt and anyone else reading this. I have responded to Walt's post in the new thread I've made to deal with all issues related to the Ukraine war, not just the recent peace deal worked out between Trump and Putin:
Brian Berletic
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The US including under the Trump administration is waging war on Russia through Ukraine while posing as "mediators" between Ukraine and Russia. It is treacherous, transparent, and Russia doesn't appear to be falling for it so now Rubio and the interests he and Trump work for are upset
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"If you want to be a peacemaker then the first thing for you to do is for you America to depart this war against us."
The Russians
@BrianJBerletic
The US including under the Trump administration is waging war on Russia through Ukraine while posing as "mediators" between Ukraine and Russia. It is treacherous, transparent, and Russia doesn't appear to be falling for it so now Rubio and the interests he and Trump work for are upset
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"If you want to be a peacemaker then the first thing for you to do is for you America to depart this war against us."
The Russians
Wow, I had not heard of the peace deal worked out by trump and Putin. When are they going to announce it?
Scott
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Wow, I had not heard of the peace deal worked out by trump and Putin. When are they going to announce it?Hey Walt and anyone else reading this. I have responded to Walt's post in the new thread I've made to deal with all issues related to the Ukraine war, not just the recent peace deal worked out between Trump and Putin:
Sorry, I meant the recent energy ceasefire deal worked out by Trump and Putin.
The one that has already been violated?
Scott
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By Ukraine multiple times, yes:
Ukraine commits new ceasefire violations – MOD
Kiev used UAVs and artillery to hit Russian energy facilites in Bryansk, Tambov and Lipetsk Regions, the Defense Ministry in Moscow has said
Scott
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That is pretty sad. Hopefully they'll get better at this in time. To be fair, the Trump Administration has only been operational for 2 months and a half. Compared to the Biden Administration's glacial pace of learning, I think it'd be hard to do as badly.
Scott
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I'm not sure what Europeans know, but they seem to be pretty clueless when it comes to how this will all inevitably turn out. I think one of my favourite lines I came up with a while back is this: "Either the Russians win or else everyone loses".
We dont have anyone to send who is remotely in the same league as Lavrof and his Chinese counterpart....which puts us at a disadvantage.
I am told that the same is true with the Indians, but sadly I know almost nothing about them...... for such a large important county it is stunning and sad how little we care about the Indians...my well curated grapevine....even them.....rarely talk about the Indians.
Scott
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I'd say the U.S. actually does, they're just not being employed in diplomatic roles- it's possible they wouldn't want them, but I think that Professor Jeffrey Sachs might be persuaded, as he's done diplomacy before. Professor Mearsheimer might want to stick to being a Professor.
Scott
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I like conversing with him, not sure what that has to do with the Europeans or my line on the Ukraine situation though.
Scott
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Just finished reading Simplicius' latest article on the situation in Ukraine, thought it was quite good. It can be seen here:
simplicius76.substack.com
Near the end, there's this:
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As a last topic, a new Telegraph article making the rounds has proffered the suggestion that Trump will soon get fed up and hit Zelensky with an ultimatum:
Source:
What’s interesting about the above piece, besides the ultimatum claim, is that for the first time we’re beginning to see major Western publications begin realistically acknowledging the possibility of Ukraine losing all five of the regions demanded by Putin, including Kherson and Zaporozhye in whole. Until now these long-standing Russian demands were virtually ignored or dismissed out of hand by MSM, which only spoke condescendingly enough about the prospects of Russia keeping Crimea, Lugansk, and Donetsk.
But now, reality is beginning to dawn on them. The Telegraph piece breaks the omerta and broaches the delicate eventuality:
How would the map of Ukraine change after such a one-sided ceasefire? Putin claims five provinces: Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. The last three are still only partially occupied by the Russians.
Agreeing to withdraw Ukrainian forces from these regions would increase the Russian-occupied area from about 20pc to roughly 25pc of Ukraine’s sovereign territory. That might sound like a sacrifice worth making to stop the slaughter, though it would inevitably deprive Kyiv of yet more economic resources and its fortified front lines.
But such a deal would also mean evacuating millions of civilians. After the well-documented murder, torture and abduction of tens of thousands in Bucha, Mariupol and elsewhere, it is unthinkable that Zelensky would abandon his people to Putin’s paramilitaries and secret police. So a war-torn, impoverished country would have to absorb a huge influx of refugees.
Confirmation they understand this would include losing the capital cities of these regions themselves:
Worse, a ceasefire on Putin’s terms would crush Ukrainian morale. Some of the cities that would be lost, including Kherson itself, have already been liberated from the Russians, often at great cost.
It’s clear that little by little the inevitable acceptance of Russia’s full demands is being digested.
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SITREP 4/6/25: Hint of Spring as Russian Pressure Rises on Every Front
Geopolitical news has been relatively slow the past few days so it seemed a good occasion to catch up on frontline advancements, which have been picking up this week.
simplicius76.substack.com
Near the end, there's this:
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As a last topic, a new Telegraph article making the rounds has proffered the suggestion that Trump will soon get fed up and hit Zelensky with an ultimatum:
Source:
What’s interesting about the above piece, besides the ultimatum claim, is that for the first time we’re beginning to see major Western publications begin realistically acknowledging the possibility of Ukraine losing all five of the regions demanded by Putin, including Kherson and Zaporozhye in whole. Until now these long-standing Russian demands were virtually ignored or dismissed out of hand by MSM, which only spoke condescendingly enough about the prospects of Russia keeping Crimea, Lugansk, and Donetsk.
But now, reality is beginning to dawn on them. The Telegraph piece breaks the omerta and broaches the delicate eventuality:
How would the map of Ukraine change after such a one-sided ceasefire? Putin claims five provinces: Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. The last three are still only partially occupied by the Russians.
Agreeing to withdraw Ukrainian forces from these regions would increase the Russian-occupied area from about 20pc to roughly 25pc of Ukraine’s sovereign territory. That might sound like a sacrifice worth making to stop the slaughter, though it would inevitably deprive Kyiv of yet more economic resources and its fortified front lines.
But such a deal would also mean evacuating millions of civilians. After the well-documented murder, torture and abduction of tens of thousands in Bucha, Mariupol and elsewhere, it is unthinkable that Zelensky would abandon his people to Putin’s paramilitaries and secret police. So a war-torn, impoverished country would have to absorb a huge influx of refugees.
Confirmation they understand this would include losing the capital cities of these regions themselves:
Worse, a ceasefire on Putin’s terms would crush Ukrainian morale. Some of the cities that would be lost, including Kherson itself, have already been liberated from the Russians, often at great cost.
It’s clear that little by little the inevitable acceptance of Russia’s full demands is being digested.
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Into the Night
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Wally???? Intelligent?????
Into the Night
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Ukraine has already lost, Wally.