The universe requires a Creator

bhaktajan said:
The equation you presuppose is reversed.

The creation emanates for PERSONA.


PERSONA can create myriads of form.

The Supreme form is the Originating truth of creation: PERSONA.


Before the elements divided and the Sun shined and trillions of souls rise and fall and time marches on etc etc THERE WAS A SINGLE "PERSONA".

"PERSONA" is not a back seat driver in creation.
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Where do you pick up such goofy shit?
 
Grugore said:
Why do I say this? For several reason, but the main one is that nothing physical can create itself. Therefore, the universe had a Creator. In order to refute this, you must first give an example of something creating itself. It's a scientific impossibility.
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Everything requires a creator except for our imaginary friend. It has always existed. :awesome:
 
Grugore said:
Why do I say this? For several reason, but the main one is that nothing physical can create itself. Therefore, the universe had a Creator. In order to refute this, you must first give an example of something creating itself. It's a scientific impossibility.
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Well said, Grugore.

But not only does everything physical require a creator, the same is true for everything that had a beginning--including things that are invisible to the human eye such as the air we breathe.

The precision in our fine-tuned universe is evidence of the Divine Creator, Almighty God Jehovah.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
 
Nordberg said:
There was no time before the big bang. The time/space continuum wraps both into it. The universe does not require a god to start it. That just adds another complexity to it. One that is created by religious people. God did not create man. man created god. lots of them. many societies created lots of them.
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Nordberg:

Why? Because you say so? I challenge you to present even one example of ANYTHING complex that created itself.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
 
Frank Apisa said:
No one has said the universe created itself.

The UNIVERSE...may always have existed.

But your need to kiss your god's ass won't allow you to even consider that possibility.
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Frank Apisa:

There is scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning.

Science Supports that
. . . the Universe had a Beginning
(Discoveries made between the 1920s to 2003)
Section One

In the 1920s, scientists began to obtain data that supports the universe had a beginning or that the universe was created. The supporting evidence for these conclusions comes from web sites at NASA, Harvard, Berkeley and others. This information is simplified into five general subjects on this page as shown a few paragraphs below.
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http://www.harvardhouse.com/universe_began.htm


Of course in their arrogance, atheists in academia try to talk their way around Jehovah's creatorship by claiming the universe is the result of the supposed Big Bang Theory.
The Big Bang

Astronomers combine mathematical models with observations to develop workable theories of how the Universe came to be
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https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang


When asked to explain how the Big Bang could result in precision, not one single scientist in academia can provide an intelligent answer.

By the way, notice that I quoted from sources that are considered credible scientific sources, including NASA, both of which confirm that the universe had a beginning. So your above speculation, in which you inserted the word "MAY," is proof positive that you have nothing to present here, except your personal philosophy that, to quote you: "The UNIVERSE...may always have existed." Nonsense!


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
 
Alter2Ego said:
Well said, Grugore.

But not only does everything physical require a creator, the same is true for everything that had a beginning--including things that are invisible to the human eye such as the air we breathe.

The precision in our fine-tuned universe is evidence of the Divine Creator, Almighty God Jehovah.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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So, your god had no beginning?

Who told you that goofy shit?
 
Alter2Ego said:
Frank Apisa:

There is scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning.


http://www.harvardhouse.com/universe_began.htm


Of course in their arrogance, atheists in academia try to talk their way around Jehovah's creatorship by claiming the universe is the result of the supposed Big Bang Theory.

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang


When asked to explain how the Big Bang could result in precision, not one single scientist in academia can provide an intelligent answer.

By the way, notice that I quoted from sources that are considered credible scientific sources, including NASA, both of which confirm that the universe had a beginning. So your above speculation, in which you inserted the word "MAY," is proof positive that you have nothing to present here, except your personal philosophy that, to quote you: "The UNIVERSE...may always have existed." Nonsense!


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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Nope, they don't "try to talk their way around Jehovah's creatorship". They ignore it because it has no relevance.
 
Alter2Ego said:
Well said, Grugore.

But not only does everything physical require a creator, the same is true for everything that had a beginning--including things that are invisible to the human eye such as the air we breathe.

The precision in our fine-tuned universe is evidence of the Divine Creator, Almighty God Jehovah.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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Not a devotee of a male dominator god perceptual reality.
 
Alter2Ego said:
Frank Apisa:

There is scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning.


http://www.harvardhouse.com/universe_began.htm


Of course in their arrogance, atheists in academia try to talk their way around Jehovah's creatorship by claiming the universe is the result of the supposed Big Bang Theory.

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang


When asked to explain how the Big Bang could result in precision, not one single scientist in academia can provide an intelligent answer.

By the way, notice that I quoted from sources that are considered credible scientific sources, including NASA, both of which confirm that the universe had a beginning. So your above speculation, in which you inserted the word "MAY," is proof positive that you have nothing to present here, except your personal philosophy that, to quote you: "The UNIVERSE...may always have existed." Nonsense!


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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There is scientific evidence that THE THING WE HUMANS CALL THE UNIVERSE...had a beginning. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that what we humans call the universe...IS ACTUALLY ALL THERE IS.

This thing we humans call the universe...may be just a tiny part of the actual UNIVERSE...and the UNIVERSE may ALWAYS HAVE EXISTED.

It is not certain that it has...but there is a possibility that it has.

I appreciate your blind guess that there is a god responsible for "the universe"...just as I appreciate the blind guesses of others who blindly guess that there are no gods.

Now...if you people would all grow up and acknowledge that all you are doing is blindly guessing, the world would probably a nicer place.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Not a devotee of a male dominator god perceptual reality.
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Nor, it appears, a devotee of common sense. And what's this nonsense about a male dominator God. My God is a loving God. HE LOVED US, WHEN WE DESERVED ONLY DEATH. And he sent His only Son to suffer that death for us. You are under a sentence of death. There is an easy way to avoid that death. But your pride will not allow you to accept it. You fool.
 
Grugore said:
Nor, it appears, a devotee of common sense. And what's this nonsense about a male dominator God. My God is a loving God. HE LOVED US, WHEN WE DESERVED ONLY DEATH. And he sent His only Son to suffer that death for us. You are under a sentence of death. There is an easy way to avoid that death. But your pride will not allow you to accept it. You fool.
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we needed to die for what reason?


how did Jesus being killed by his father fix anything?
 
Alter2Ego said:
Well said, Grugore.

But not only does everything physical require a creator, the same is true for everything that had a beginning--including things that are invisible to the human eye such as the air we breathe.

The precision in our fine-tuned universe is evidence of the Divine Creator, Almighty God Jehovah.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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The human eye can see millions of colors. It can simultaneously process one and a half MILLION bits of data. It also has auto focus and automatically adjusts for brightness and low light conditions. And some people believe that it is the result of blind chance. Some people are blind fools.
 
evince said:
we needed to die for what reason?


how did Jesus being killed by his father fix anything?
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It's in the Bible. Read it. More importantly, ask God for His help in understanding it. Let go of your foolish pride. It will be the death of you.
 
Grugore said:
The human eye can see millions of colors. It can simultaneously process one and a half MILLION bits of data. It also has auto focus and automatically adjusts for brightness and low light conditions. And some people believe that it is the result of blind chance. Some people are blind fools.
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evolution is not blind chance you science void


just because you were lied to as a child doesn't make you correct
 
And we know through history how the christer god and their predecessor gods were invented, people of that time didn't have any knowledge of science, no excuse now for thinking that crap is real.The primitives also though stars can fall to the earth and claimed the sun revolved around the earth and that spirits controlled events
 
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