Theodicy, the problem of evil

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Cypress

"Cypress you motherfucking whore!"
One line of reasoning -->

Because of Hitler, Pol Pot, mass murderers, earthquakes, floods, fires, cancer there cannot be an omniscient and beneficent higher power deserving of admiration and veneration.
 
Cypress said:
One line of reasoning -->

Because of Hitler, Pol Pot, mass murderers, earthquakes, floods, fires, cancer there cannot be an omniscient and beneficent higher power deserving of admiration and veneration.
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Bad mythology. Christian concept of evil is incoherent.
 
Cypress said:
One line of reasoning -->

Because of Hitler, Pol Pot, mass murderers, earthquakes, floods, fires, cancer there cannot be an omniscient and beneficent higher power deserving of admiration and veneration.
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The other line of reasoning.

Humans are imbued with free will. Having the freedom to choose means having the freedom to choose righteousness, or moral depravity.

Earthquakes and floods aren't evil. People die of earthquakes and floods because of where they choose to live, and the building materials they construct with. Earthquakes and floods are part of a natural cycle that makes life flourish, by replenishment of top soil and maintaining and recycling an active crust.

Most cancers are due to our choices and development of synthetic chemicals and environmental pollution.

We wouldn't be fully human if we did not cultivate virtues like courage, self sacrifice, charity. Forced to have perfect and happy lives free of any adversity, the virtues that make us fully human would not be cultivated.
 
Cypress said:
The other line of reasoning.

Humans are imbued with free will. Having the freedom to choose means having the freedom to choose righteousness, or moral depravity.

Earthquakes and floods aren't evil. People die of earthquakes and floods because of where they choose to live, and the building materials they construct with. Earthquakes and floods are part of a natural cycle that makes life flourish, by replenishment of top soil and maintaining and recycling an active crust.

Most cancers are due to our choices and development of synthetic chemicals and environmental pollution.

We wouldn't be fully human if we did not cultivate virtues like courage, self sacrifice, charity. Forced to have perfect and happy lives free of any adversity, the virtues that make us fully human would not be cultivated.
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Kudos...you've sort of discovered Leibniz.
 
Cypress said:
The other line of reasoning.

Humans are imbued with free will. Having the freedom to choose means having the freedom to choose righteousness, or moral depravity.

Earthquakes and floods aren't evil. People die of earthquakes and floods because of where they choose to live, and the building materials they construct with. Earthquakes and floods are part of a natural cycle that makes life flourish, by replenishment of top soil and maintaining and recycling an active crust.

Most cancers are due to our choices and development of synthetic chemicals and environmental pollution.

We wouldn't be fully human if we did not cultivate virtues like courage, self sacrifice, charity. Forced to have perfect and happy lives free of any adversity, the virtues that make us fully human would not be cultivated.
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Why bother with God, then.
 
We live on an active planet

If it wasn’t active we would not exist


If there is a higher power it is not all powerful


It is also limited by the physical realities of all the exists


We love and care because we are human


We are human because we love and care


Some humans are born with shortcomings


Like brains that can’t process caring emotions


They can’t truely help mankind be it’s best


Only the loving and caring humans can make us our BEST


WE AS THE LOVING AND CARING MAJORITY OF HUMANS


Need to also show compassion for those born lacking in all areas including brain processing that is missing


They must not be allowed power over the lives of others as they don’t possess them needed brain functions


They can lead perfectly happy lives doing other things for society



In places they can’t destroy others for profits

Once we face this fact we will soar to greater heights



We can and will get there
 
Cypress said:
The other line of reasoning.

Humans are imbued with free will. Having the freedom to choose means having the freedom to choose righteousness, or moral depravity.

Earthquakes and floods aren't evil. People die of earthquakes and floods because of where they choose to live, and the building materials they construct with. Earthquakes and floods are part of a natural cycle that makes life flourish, by replenishment of top soil and maintaining and recycling an active crust.

Most cancers are due to our choices and development of synthetic chemicals and environmental pollution.

We wouldn't be fully human if we did not cultivate virtues like courage, self sacrifice, charity. Forced to have perfect and happy lives free of any adversity, the virtues that make us fully human would not be cultivated.
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I rate this a Scottish verdict.

This kind of theodicy is sufficient to defeat the claim that evil and adversity are incompatible with a transcendant higher power.

But it does nothing to prove any gods actually exist.
 
Cypress said:
I rate this a Scottish verdict.

This kind of theodicy is sufficient to defeat the claim that evil and adversity are incompatible with a transcendant higher power.

But it does nothing to prove any gods actually exist.
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Wow, a thread of you talking to yourself.
 
BidenPresident said:
Why bother with God, then.
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There are as many reasons for the belief in a higher transcendent power as there are religions, denominations,, and temples in this world.

I don't accept the premise that a higher transcendent power has to strictly and only be concerned with the welfare of humans. Its a mighty Big universe
 
evince said:
We live on an active planet

If it wasn’t active we would not exist


If there is a higher power it is not all powerful


It is also limited by the physical realities of all the exists


We love and care because we are human


We are human because we love and care


Some humans are born with shortcomings


Like brains that can’t process caring emotions


They can’t truely help mankind be it’s best


Only the loving and caring humans can make us our BEST


WE AS THE LOVING AND CARING MAJORITY OF HUMANS


Need to also show compassion for those born lacking in all areas including brain processing that is missing


They must not be allowed power over the lives of others as they don’t possess them needed brain functions


They can lead perfectly happy lives doing other things for society



In places they can’t destroy others for profits

Once we face this fact we will soar to greater heights



We can and will get there
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thanks

I can't see us being fully human if we were automatons forced to have perfect, happy lives always free of adversity.


What we think of as destructive natural forces are absolutely neccessary for life and ecosystems to exist.
 
Cypress said:
There are as many reasons for the belief in a higher transcendent power as there are religions, denominations,, and temples in this world.

I don't accept the premise that a higher transcendent power has to strictly and only be concerned with the welfare of humans. Its a mighty Big universe
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Like I said, why bother with God.
 
Cypress said:
There are as many reasons for the belief in a higher transcendent power as there are religions, denominations,, and temples in this world.

I don't accept the premise that a higher transcendent power has to strictly and only be concerned with the welfare of humans. Its a mighty Big universe
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So that would make you a Diest, correct
 
archives said:
So that would make you a Diest, correct
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I'm not a huge fan of putting labels on myself. I don't like to join teams.

My understanding is that whatever else they were, deists were an offshoot of Christianity. The believed in the ethical teachings of Jesus, they believed he was a prophet if not literally divine, and they believed in a monotheistic clockmaker god.

In other words, I don't think one can separate out deism as an independent religion apart from it's historical context and association with Jesus, monotheism, and the New Testament gospel.
 
Cypress said:
I'm not a huge fan of putting labels on myself. I don't like to join teams.

My understanding is that whatever else they were, deists were an offshoot of Christianity. The believed in the ethical teachings of Jesus, they believed he was a prophet if not literally divine, and they believed in a monotheistic clockmaker god.

In other words, I don't think one can separate out deism as an independent religion apart from it's historical context and association with Jesus, monotheism, and the New Testament gospel.
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Deism is the idea God created the universe then disappeared.
 
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