Theology Question

[Saint Guinefort]

What does "subjective" mean?

Subjective: "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

 

[BidenPresident]

Subjective: "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

So, can people share those feelings? If someone cuts you off on the road, do you get mad? Do others?

 

[Saint Guinefort]

So, can people share those feelings? If someone cuts you off on the road, do you get mad? Do others?

Yes.

 

[Ross Dolan]

But hopefully you get my point. "Great painters" are only in the eyes of the beholder. NOT some subjective greatness.

I do.

When speaking of artists, I am always giving my subjective opinion. Everyone does.

Van Gogh, Rembrandt, and El Greco are my favorites...and I make time to see painting of their EVERY year...even though they often are the same paintings.

My favorite musicians are Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Wagner. My favorite singers are Pavarotti, Calas, and Sinatra.

All subjective.

 

[BidenPresident]

Yes.

So, "subjective" can be a common experience and has objectivity.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

So, "subjective" can be a common experience and has objectivity.

No. Objective is the antonym of subjective.

 

[BidenPresident]

No. Objective is the antonym of subjective.

So, everyone can experience anger getting cut off. One experience. Not unique to one person.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

So, everyone can experience anger getting cut off. One experience. Not unique to one person.

Subjective is the antonym of objective.

 

[BidenPresident]

Subjective is the antonym of objective.

I did not use "objective" there. Let us stay with the concept of subjective.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

I did not use "objective" there. Let us stay with the concept of subjective.

Subjective in this discussion is being used as the alternative to objective.

Art is subjective. Doesn't matter if 15 people like a painter or 1. It is subjective, not objective.

That was the original point about art.

 

[BidenPresident]

Subjective in this discussion is being used as the alternative to objective.

Art is subjective. Doesn't matter if 15 people like a painter or 1. It is subjective, not objective.

That was the original point about art.

Drop the concept of objective. Not necessary to my argument at this point.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Drop the concept of objective. Not necessary to my argument at this point.

The original question related to subjective vs objective in re art appreciation.

As such it is required.

Sorry, that's just how words work.

 

[BidenPresident]

The original question related to subjective vs objective in re art appreciation.

As such it is required.

Sorry, that's just how words work.

ok

 

[Into Тhe Night]

Atheism is a belief, a certainty of something where the information given does not "prove" what they are certain of... That's not just a belief, it is faith.

That's like saying not believing in fairies is a belief.

 

[Into Тhe Night]

Disagreed. Agnosticism is the default position. Atheism is the opposite of theism and equally illogical.

So if John believes that Superman exist and Bob knows that Superman doesn’t exist due to lack of evidence, the default position is . . . to be agnostic on the issue of whether or not Superman exists?

I don't follow your logic.

 

[Into Тhe Night]

Either you "believe" there are no gods...or you "believe" it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

Replace "gods" with fairies. Or superheroes. Or magical talking carrots. Am I supposed to be agnostic about magical talking carrots?

 

[BidenPresident]

Replace "gods" with fairies. Or superheroes. Or magical talking carrots. Am I supposed to be agnostic about magical talking carrots?

Agnostics think they are smarter by deciding not to make a decision.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Replace "gods" with fairies. Or superheroes. Or magical talking carrots. Am I supposed to be agnostic about magical talking carrots?

No, you are not. I certainly am not.

Now...answer the question.

Either you "believe" there are no gods...or you "believe" it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

Do you deny that to be the case?

 

[Damocles]

That's like saying not believing in fairies is a belief.

No, it isn't like that at all. Pretending that the belief in Santa or Tinkerbell is the same as a belief in god/s is a logical fallacy called 'reductio ad absurdum'. Much like Christians sometimes do to the Theory of Evolution.

This is what you do when you have no valid argument. Do better.

 

[BidenPresident]

No, it isn't like that at all. Pretending that the belief in Santa or Tinkerbell is the same as a belief in god/s is a logical fallacy called 'reductio ad absurdum'. Much like Christians sometimes do to the Theory of Evolution.

This is what you do when you have no valid argument. Do better.

His point is valid. The construction of the Christian God has a specific history.