This world would be better without religion

AssHatZombie said:
He was more accurately, the first christian, and thought the pharisees of his day were a bunch of elitist racist assholes. Some things never change.
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Dude, the Apostles and Disciples did not even consider themselves Christians until a couple of decades after Christ's death. BTW - from what language do we get the word "Christ?"
 
Threedee said:
Dude, the Apostles and Disciples did not even consider themselves Christians until a couple of decades after Christ's death. BTW - from what language do we get the word "Christ?"
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DUde, it does matter what they consider themselves. Maybe they thought they were reforming judaism. As it turns out, the power structure of judaism rejected these reforms, hence, voila, a new religion. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
I pray for you--for you are broken my child. You don't believe my faith, so you are broken and need help. If you don't accept this help--we will destroy you.

That is a problem.
 
AssHatZombie said:
DUde, it does matter what they consider themselves. Maybe they thought they were reforming judaism. As it turns out, the power structure of judaism rejected these reforms, hence, voila, a new religion. Hindsight is 20/20.
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A new religion which, if anything, is even more elitist and repressive than its progenitor. It took Mohamed some six centuries later to make a real reformation of the tradition, though even that was severely flawed.
 
AssHatZombie said:
DUde, it does matter what they consider themselves. Maybe they thought they were reforming judaism. As it turns out, the power structure of judaism rejected these reforms, hence, voila, a new religion. Hindsight is 20/20.
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For your information, "Christ" comes from the Greek word "Christos," meaning annointed one. The meaning is not the same as Messiah from the Aramaic. The presence of the Greek language is important, because other words "Catholicos" (Universal) also have prominence in Christianity.

What happened was St. Paul began preaching the faith to the gentiles. Romans and Greeks, who were pagan and couldn't relate to the monotheistic God, could nonetheless relate to classical Greek philosophy. That is the reason why St. John's Gospel begins with "In the beginning there was the Word..." - it harkens back to the Greek logos, which we take to mean logic, but translates simply as "word."

It is the Greeco-Pagan innovations preached by Paul and authorized by Peter that form the beginnings of Christianity. That is to say, the faith became Westernized. The original believers called themselves the "People of God" (later adopted by English reformers until they adopted the derisive term of their Anglican detractors - "Puritans."). The first symbol of the People of God was the Icthus (that funny fish symbol which in very recent history has become popular in Evangelical circles, and has been parodied by evolutionists with their own version). Naturally, "Icthus" is Greek, and the phrase, "Jesus Christ, King and Savior" appeared for the first time. Eventually the term "Christ" was adopted and later on the Crucifix replaced the Icthus.

History lesson over - class dismissed.
 
Threedee said:
For your information, "Christ" comes from the Greek word "Christos," meaning annointed one. The meaning is not the same as Messiah from the Aramaic. The presence of the Greek language is important, because other words "Catholicos" (Universal) also have prominence in Christianity.

What happened was St. Paul began preaching the faith to the gentiles. Romans and Greeks, who were pagan and couldn't relate to the monotheistic God, could nonetheless relate to classical Greek philosophy. That is the reason why St. John's Gospel begins with "In the beginning there was the Word..." - it harkens back to the Greek logos, which we take to mean logic, but translates simply as "word."

It is the Greeco-Pagan innovations preached by Paul and authorized by Peter that form the beginnings of Christianity. That is to say, the faith became Westernized. The original believers called themselves the "People of God" (later adopted by English reformers until they adopted the derisive term of their Anglican detractors - "Puritans."). The first symbol of the People of God was the Icthus (that funny fish symbol which in very recent history has become popular in Evangelical circles, and has been parodied by evolutionists with their own version). Naturally, "Icthus" is Greek, and the phrase, "Jesus Christ, King and Savior" appeared for the first time. Eventually the term "Christ" was adopted and later on the Crucifix replaced the Icthus.

History lesson over - class dismissed.
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Oh for sure, it's hightly pagano-hellenized, but the main narrative deals with a character from the roman occupied judean world, a rebel jesus, critic of a corrupt pharisaic priesthood, and possible threat to roman authority, if he were to pursue judean separatist/nationalist goals. etc.
 
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