"Universal Healthcare"

[Annie]

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=FF28F7CC-3048-5C12-00EF373A49620EFB

Site attacks single-payer health care
By: Chris Frates
July 8, 2008 04:30 AM EST

Shona Robertson-Holmes was a mess. She had crushing headaches, insomnia and adrenaline levels so high that she constantly felt as if she had just stepped in front of a speeding bus. And that’s not to mention her rapidly deteriorating eyesight.

She headed to her family doctor, who recommended that she see two specialists.

But Robertson-Holmes is Canadian, and her state-provided health care gave her a wait time of four months to see a neurologist and six months to see an endocrinologist. Unable to get an expedited appointment, and with her eyesight worsening, Robertson-Holmes called the Mayo Clinic in Arizona and went in for tests and a diagnosis within a week.

The doctors there told her she had a four-to-six-week window to have a marble-sized tumor on her pituitary gland removed before her vision loss would be irreversible.

Returning home with the diagnosis, the Ontario native was still unable to expedite the surgery. Three weeks later, she came back to Mayo for brain surgery. And she took out a second mortgage to pay for the $100,000 ordeal. ...

 

[uscitizen]

Not gonna happen, can't afford it.

 

[Socrtease]

I would suggest people start looking at Germany's healthcare system. They have a better system than Canada or England.

 

[Socrtease]

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=FF28F7CC-3048-5C12-00EF373A49620EFB

And had she lived in the US with no insurance and in some cases with she would have just gone blind

 

[uscitizen]

I would suggest people start looking at Germany's healthcare system. They have a better system than Canada or England.

yeah but we don't want to pay their taxes and 7+ a gal for gas.

 

[Socrtease]

yeah but we don't want to pay their taxes and 7+ a gal for gas.

And still have a comparable standard of living.

 

[uscitizen]

And still have a comparable standard of living.

yeah they seem to balance things a bit better than we do.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

German taxes are actually lower than American ones.

 

[uscitizen]

German taxes are actually lower than American ones.

Well then we are the most really screwed up greatest country on earth.

 

[Annie]

German taxes are actually lower than American ones.

Got a link?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Got a link?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax_tax_rev_of_gdp-taxation-tax-revenue-of-gdp

 

[Annie]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax_tax_rev_of_gdp-taxation-tax-revenue-of-gdp

Thank you. Seems to me that the total of where they fall, Germany at 114, US at 112 is pretty close. How they get there though, on the backs of those that can afford it, seems a bit different, no?

Germany:

Components of taxation > Corporate income tax u2.9% [28th of 28]
Components of taxation > Goods and service tax 29.2% [19th of 30]
Components of taxation > Personal income tax 25.1% [16th of 30]
Components of taxation > Property tax 2.3% [17th of 18]
Contribution by middle 40% 36.5% [2nd of 14]
Contribution by poorest 30% 10% [5th of 14]
Contribution by richest 30% 53.6% [11th of 14]
Total taxation as % of GDP 37.9 % of GDP [10th of 18]
Value Added Tax > Lower rate for dwellings NO [19th of 25]
Value Added Tax > Standard rate 16% [20th of 25]

US

Components of taxation > Corporate income tax u6.7% [20th of 28]
Components of taxation > Goods and service tax 17.6% [30th of 30]
Components of taxation > Personal income tax 37.7% [5th of 30]
Components of taxation > Property tax 10.1% [3rd of 18]
Contribution by middle 40% 28.4% [13th of 14]
Contribution by poorest 30% 6.3% [9th of 14]
Contribution by richest 30% 65.3% [3rd of 14]
Total tax wedge > Single worker 30% [21st of 29]
Total tax wedge > Single-income family 19.4% [21st of 29]
Total taxation as % of GDP 29.6 % of GDP [17th of 18]

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

K

 

[Annie]

Looks like it may be even more skewed, looking at more recent data. Would you really like the German set up better? :

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The tax burden could be easily shifted Kathy. My point is that they do universal healthcare and a huge social network with a less overall tax burden on their people. Maybe they have a less progressive system - who gives a fuck? They could just as easily be as progressive as our with lower tax brackets. Why do you always use this annoying and disingenous diversion tactic whenever you're displeased?

 

[uscitizen]

WM you soulless slut! You know no one can do it better than the USA.

 

[Annie]

WM you soulless slut! You know no one can do it better than the USA.

So you like his numbers for Germany's tax solution? It's basically gutted their middle class.

 

[uscitizen]

Germany also recently absorbed east germany which was pretty backwards. They have accompolished much while we squandered what we had.

 

[Annie]

Germany also recently absorbed east germany which was pretty backwards. They have accompolished much while we squandered what we had.

Can you explain what you mean by that last sentence?

 

[uscitizen]

Can you explain what you mean by that last sentence?

well instead of living smart, we used equitity in our homes like credit cards to buy stuff we did not really need. Bought gasguzzlers for status, not because we needed em, etc. compare the avg mpg and size of vehicles in germany vs the USA. things like that.

My sister lived in germany for a long time. they have had recycling and other sensible stuff for many years over there. It is about sustainability not waste and disposable.

the collective mindset of the people is reflected in their govt. We complain about or govt, and they do suck, but in truth as a whole we deserve no better than what we have.