What is philosophy? Philosophy is an applied science.

goat said:
Plato's Socrates said philosophy is the only true science. This was made in comparison to architecture, engineering, and art.
Click to expand...

That is obviously a bad English translation of the archaic Greek. Neither the Greeks nor anyone else had a word for science prior to the modern era.

I cannot read archaic Greek to know what Plato intended in the original language, but the pre-Socratic philosophers were doing a kind of natural philosophy, akin to what we would call science today. Aristotle was doing natural philosophy too.
 
Cypress said:
That is obviously a bad English translation of the archaic Greek. Neither the Greeks nor anyone else had a word for science prior to the modern era.

I cannot read archaic Greek to know what Plato intended in the original language, but the pre-Socratic philosophers were doing a kind of natural philosophy, akin to what we would call science today. Aristotle was doing natural philosophy too.
Click to expand...

I don't remember where Plato talked about science, but the Greek would be episteme. Modern Germans sometimes use the word for science.
 
Cypress said:
That is obviously a bad English translation of the archaic Greek. Neither the Greeks nor anyone else had a word for science prior to the modern era.

I cannot read archaic Greek to know what Plato intended in the original language, but the pre-Socratic philosophers were doing a kind of natural philosophy, akin to what we would call science today. Aristotle was doing natural philosophy too.
Click to expand...

Plato wrote in Attic Greek, not Archaic Greek.
 
BidenPresident said:
I don't remember where Plato talked about science, but the Greek would be episteme. Modern Germans sometimes use the word for science.
Click to expand...

I think the Greek root epistme is most accurately translated as "knowlege". I would have to check on it.

Philosophy itself directly comes from the Greek word philosophia, which simply means love of wisdom.
 
Cypress said:
That is obviously a bad English translation of the archaic Greek. Neither the Greeks nor anyone else had a word for science prior to the modern era.

I cannot read archaic Greek to know what Plato intended in the original language, but the pre-Socratic philosophers were doing a kind of natural philosophy, akin to what we would call science today. Aristotle was doing natural philosophy too.
Click to expand...
The translation of Plato used the words 'true science'. Plato's disdain for architecture and engineering gave me a negative view of Plato until I got to The Apology. Confronting human nature is an art in itself. Betrayal became the utmost of sins with an honest look at human behavior. A dialogue written some 2400 years ago.
 
goat said:
The translation of Plato used the words 'true science'. Plato's disdain for architecture and engineering gave me a negative view of Plato until I got to The Apology. Confronting human nature is an art in itself. Betrayal became the utmost of sins with an honest look at human behavior. A dialogue written some 2400 years ago.
Click to expand...


Where did Plato talk about "true science?"
 
BidenPresident said:
Where did Plato talk about "true science?"
Click to expand...
The Republic, I can't remember which chapter. Plato shows why man-made laws should come from reason instead of religion. Plato believes reason is the only/best science. It starts to make sense once you understand precognition, the ability to do the calculations in your mind to make an educated guess. Plato didn't realize that engineers and architects also see things in their mind before they build it.
 
goat said:
The translation of Plato used the words 'true science'. Plato's disdain for architecture and engineering gave me a negative view of Plato until I got to The Apology. Confronting human nature is an art in itself. Betrayal became the utmost of sins with an honest look at human behavior. A dialogue written some 2400 years ago.
Click to expand...

"Science" is derived from a Latin word, and has only been used since the 18th century to represent the kind of experimental inductive logic Francis Bacon advocated at the dawn of the scientific age.

Plato did not speak Latin and did not use the word science.

It is obviously an artifact of bad translation, and the only reason I nitpick it is because my cousin is a professional interpreter and translator.

The Greeks were not doing experimental science.

Plato would written in lexicon appropriate for ancient Greece, aka philosophia and episteme, or other Greek analogs for knowlege and natural philosophy.
 
BidenPresident said:
Aristotle was. Parts of Animals clearly documents dissecting animals.
Click to expand...

That's true. He was doing a kind of investigation of the natural world that Plato had no interest in.

But also a lot of Aristotle's speculations about the natural world was based on deductive reasoning, rather than experimental induction.

That is how Galileo disproved Aristotelian physics -- Galileo actually did experiments proving the mechanics of Aristotle wrong
 
Love of wisdom


I love that


To me philosophy is a search for truth and reality


You apply all known facts and then look for the impact on humans of our current knowledge and try to understand and convey that impact on what’s best for mankind and the physical world that is our home


It requires a love of mankind and knowledge applied to create a more perfect world
 
Cypress said:
That's true. He was doing a kind of investigation of the natural world that Plato had no interest in.

But also a lot of Aristotle's speculations about the natural world was based on deductive reasoning, rather than experimental induction.

That is how Galileo disproved Aristotelian physics -- Galileo actually did experiments proving the mechanics of Aristotle wrong
Click to expand...


Aristotle did not consider math to be the proper method of describing nature.
 
Artists were known to dissect animals and even corpses


So they could represent what they truely look like with that knowledge


Knowing where bone and muscles actually were and how they connected


Even the thickness of skin could help them represent the human form more accurately
 
evince said:
Love of wisdom


I love that


To me philosophy is a search for truth and reality


You apply all known facts and then look for the impact on humans of our current knowledge and try to understand and convey that impact on what’s best for mankind and the physical world that is our home


It requires a love of mankind and knowledge applied to create a more perfect world
Click to expand...

If I had to choose an ancient language to learn, it would be Greek not Latin.

The heritage of western civilization goes back to Greek -- religion, literature, philosophy.

I have always appreciated that you are a philosophically-thinking person
 
I trust for the most part the scholars who came after to be honest in their attempts to pass it down to us


But like any other human endeavor read as many human takes as one can to more clearly suss it out


Love of knowledge
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top