What is the difference between Trump saying he'd accept foreign information

ThatOwlWoman said:
Interesting take on the difference between direct involvement by a foreign government with "dirt" on an opponent, and the Fusion GPS Steele dossier:

"The main difference is the role of a foreign government.

"Working hand-in-hand with a foreign power for information intended to influence an election is different than hiring a private firm that then hired somebody who had been a former intelligence agent," said Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law.

"Everybody does opposition research," she added. "The issue here is the foreign government."

"That distinction is critical, experts told us, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day."

https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...ndits-defended-trumps-abc-interview-and-why-/
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Mueller stated clearly that there was no 'working hand in hand with a foreign power' as far as the Trump campaign was concerned. That is the distinction the 'expert' in your article doesn't seem to comprehend.
 
Cypress said:
I never even actually imagined it was ever possible that the Republican Party would beg the KGB, the Kremlin, and Russian state security services to aid them, to collude with them, and to collaborate in winning an American election.

It would have never dawned on me that it was even remotely possible.
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Their dying demographic and crass fear /hate stoking media made it slightly foreseeable. The white "silent majority" saw
the state as its defender against the barbarians at the gate and it did (and still does) operate in that way. But as their numbers dwindle
relative to other races, classes, and age, they are consistently losing elections and the generally accepted set of social mores
do not square with their old time views. Seeing too many women and black and latinos in power, seeing those people
getting good jobs and buying better cars and houses, using English better than they do, scares the shit out of them.
The solution to THEIR mental problems? Blame the government for having failed them. Our government becomes the enemy and Russia becomes their friend.

Change happens. They can't stand it. Trump offers to roll back the clock on change. It's laughable.

We will destroy them. Or they will just all fucking die. Either way we win. :cool:

I never foresaw a merit based society scaring the shit out of whites this much.
 
Superfreak said:
Mueller stated clearly that there was no 'working hand in hand with a foreign power' as far as the Trump campaign was concerned. That is the distinction the 'expert' in your article doesn't seem to comprehend.
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lol

The only reason Junior wasn’t indicted is that he was too stupid to know he was violating the law.

:rofl2:
 
Superfreak said:
Thanks for proving how desperate you are. You will continue to ignore his actual comment, because you are butt hurt.
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You stupid fucks keep equating non-indictment or not guilty with innocent. Massive ignorance of the law. Insufficient evidence does not mean no evidence.

OJ had two trials on the same event. The murder of Nicole. Ge was found not guilty on the first, guilty on the second.

Was he innocent or not?
 
archives said:
What is the difference between Trump saying he'd accept foreign information on political rivals last Wednesday and Trump directly asking Russia to find Clinton's Emails back in 2016?
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None really. Isn't it sad that that it came to the point where we have to ask a foreign country to provide information that should've been available to us anyway had she not wiped her personal server clean? Which she could never have done had she used proper protocol? Which she obviously did to hide her interplay between the now basically defunct (hmm, wonder why that is?) Clinton Foundation and foreign assistance? In addition to trying to hide what she herself called "bad optics"?
archives said:
And why not, Trump cares little for respecting historical institutions, he knows his GOP lackeys don't have the backbone to say anything,
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Or do anything. At least we can agree on that.
archives said:
he's assured billy Barr ain't going to care,
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Oh he cares. He's trying to get to the real culprits as we speak.
archives said:
The Democrats ought to immediately pass legislation making it illegal to accept any kind of assistence from any foreign nation in our elections and quickly forward it to Mitch, put the Senate invertebrates on the spot
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I'd definitely approve of that with the caveat that it would be illegal to accept such assistance unless that assistance was needed to correct that which was illegal in the first place.
Or better yet, enforce the law from the beginning.
hrc belongs in jail. Of shot for treason Be grateful she had Obama, the dnc, deep state and media to protect her.
As long as we have a corrupt and complicit political system maybe we do need a little help from outside.
 
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anonymoose said:
None really. Isn't it sad that that it came to the point where we have to ask a foreign country to provide information that should've been available to us anyway had she not wiped her personal server clean? Which she could never have done had she used proper protocol? Which she obviously did to hide her interplay between the now basically defunct (hmm, wonder why that is?) Clinton Foundation and foreign assistance? In addition to trying to hide what she herself called "bad optics"?
Or do anything. At least we can agree on that. Oh he cares. He's trying to get to the real culprits as we speak.
I'd definitely approve of that with the caveat that it would be illegal to accept such assistance unless that assistance was needed to correct that which was illegal in the first place.
Or better yet, enforce the law from the beginning.
hrc belongs in jail. Of shot for treason Be grateful she had Obama, the dnc, deep state and media to protect her.
As long as we have a corrupt and complicit political system maybe we do need a little help from outside.
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The bit about Trump asking the Russians to find Hillary’s ‘lost’ emails was an obvious joke by Trump.

Maybe he shouldn’t joke about it but it was a joke. It’s ludicrous to think that the Russians would wait around for Trump to ‘give the Green Light’ on getting Hillary’s emails—if they had the capability to get them. If The Russians could have gotten them, they were going to get them.

That’s what Russians do lol. It wouldn’t have mattered if Trump wanted them to or not.

Maybe Trump shouldn’t make hypotheticals about getting oppo research from Norway. Big deal if he did. Hillary *actually did* get oppo research from the Russians via several cutouts. Even if it was legal [we’ll let Barr decide that] it was still employing foreigners in the service of our own partisan politics.

If lefties weren’t utterly shameless, they wouldn’t say a word about Trump’s comments.

If..
 
Darth Omar said:
Not only is he ‘not guilty’ the evidence wouldn’t even allow for a conclusion [not an indictment, a simple conclusion] that any crimes were committed.

It’s over.
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“So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.”

“As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not.”

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

FACTUAL RESULTS OF THE OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION

A. The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump
B. The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn
C. The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBl's Russia Investigation
D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director Corney
E. The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel
F. The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation
H. The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation
I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
J. The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort,
K. The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony. Viewing the acts collectively can help to illuminate their significance. For example, the President's direction to McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed was followed almost immediately by his direction to Lewandowski to tell the Attorney General to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to prospective election-interference only-a temporal connection that suggests that both acts were taken with a related purpose with respect to the investigation.”
 
Superfreak said:
Yeah, the leg humping moron doesn't want to admit that the Clinton campaign and the DNC hired a foreign agent to go to Russian agents to dig up dirt on their opponent and pretend that Russia was 'coordinating' with their opponents campaign. I mean, that never would have dawned on the dishonest moron above either. Right moron?
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Based on what Dumber Domer is saying, Trump should have said he would have given them $50 for the information.
 
domer76 said:
“So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.”

“As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not.”

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

FACTUAL RESULTS OF THE OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION

A. The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump
B. The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn
C. The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBl's Russia Investigation
D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director Corney
E. The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel
F. The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation
H. The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation
I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
J. The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort,
K. The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony. Viewing the acts collectively can help to illuminate their significance. For example, the President's direction to McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed was followed almost immediately by his direction to Lewandowski to tell the Attorney General to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to prospective election-interference only-a temporal connection that suggests that both acts were taken with a related purpose with respect to the investigation.”
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It’s over.
 
Darth Omar said:
It’s over.
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“So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.”

“As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not.”

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

FACTUAL RESULTS OF THE OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION

A. The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump
B. The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn
C. The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBl's Russia Investigation
D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director Corney
E. The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel
F. The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation
H. The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation
I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
J. The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort,
K. The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony. Viewing the acts collectively can help to illuminate their significance. For example, the President's direction to McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed was followed almost immediately by his direction to Lewandowski to tell the Attorney General to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to prospective election-interference only-a temporal connection that suggests that both acts were taken with a related purpose with respect to the investigation.”
 
domer76 said:
“So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.”

“As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not.”

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

FACTUAL RESULTS OF THE OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION

A. The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump
B. The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn
C. The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBl's Russia Investigation
D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director Corney
E. The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel
F. The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation
H. The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation
I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
J. The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort,
K. The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony. Viewing the acts collectively can help to illuminate their significance. For example, the President's direction to McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed was followed almost immediately by his direction to Lewandowski to tell the Attorney General to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to prospective election-interference only-a temporal connection that suggests that both acts were taken with a related purpose with respect to the investigation.”
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Yet, it’s over lol.
 
Darth Omar said:
Yet, it’s over lol.
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“So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.”

“As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not.”

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

FACTUAL RESULTS OF THE OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION

A. The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump
B. The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn
C. The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBl's Russia Investigation
D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director Corney
E. The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel
F. The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation
H. The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation
I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
J. The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort,
K. The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony. Viewing the acts collectively can help to illuminate their significance. For example, the President's direction to McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed was followed almost immediately by his direction to Lewandowski to tell the Attorney General to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to prospective election-interference only-a temporal connection that suggests that both acts were taken with a related purpose with respect to the investigation.”
 
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